New FAA Rest Rules may be back on track

[densoo]

the smaller carriers will always have scheduled reduced rest as long as it's legal and will be pressured to work fatigued.

And that's why the work is being outsourced. FAA rules that prevent the rest abuse may make outsourcing of labor less cost effective, thus causing some of the flying to return to the major carrier, thus getting some jobs for those who have been on the bottom for too long.

 

[IBNAV8R]

I can't remember the last time I had an overnight of less than 9 hrs. So the only way this would be an improvement is if it is as has been stated: hotel check in to airport show time. Otherwise its the same old pig, different lipstick.

Needs to be check-in to check out. This "transportation, local in nature" doesn't seem to account for the growing trend of shuttles that ONLY leave at 30 minute intervals. At some airports, you might have to leave the hotel more than an hour before show time, because of length of drive, airport layout, security, etc.

 

[densoo]

Needs to be check-in to check out. This "transportation, local in nature" doesn't seem to account for the growing trend of shuttles that ONLY leave at 30 minute intervals. At some airports, you might have to leave the hotel more than an hour before show time, because of length of drive, airport layout, security, etc.

I totally agree. Let's define rest as rest. Check-in to check-out, whatever time they come up with, that becomes a sterile period. No transportation, no security, no duties, nothing in that period. Even if they made this sterile period only 8 hours at least it would be a fence around rest that no one could waive, touch, infringe upon, no matter what irregular operation du jour is going on. It would be the Whitlow Rule.

 

[CA1900]

Exactly. When a cost (unavailability for duty) is attached, airlines won't be so quick to pick a hotel 29 minutes away to save $8 a night, while they steal an hour of the crew's rest (round-trip) in the process.

 

[densoo]

Exactly. When a cost (unavailability for duty) is attached, airlines won't be so quick to pick a hotel 29 minutes away to save $8 a night, while they steal an hour of the crew's rest (round-trip) in the process.

Geez, louise, you hit the nail on the head on that one.

 

[densoo]

NPR. Dianne Rehm. One hour discussion of new FAA rest rules going on now. Moak talking, along with a major and a regional industry rep. Unfortunately focusing on pilot shortage rather than safety at the start, Moak countering. Sounds like a push to increase retirement age--already saying they'll need government loans to get by. Unbelievable.

 

[livin'thesim]

And that's why the work is being outsourced. FAA rules that prevent the rest abuse may make outsourcing of labor less cost effective, thus causing some of the flying to return to the major carrier, thus getting some jobs for those who have been on the bottom for too long.

We have a winner!

This will crush the dirtbag operations, especially the ones using the supplemental rest rules that allow outrageous duty periods.

It also does not allow startups to operate under supplemental rules, undercutting existing carriers while they build up their business with tired pilots.

This has the effect of placing union-contract like restrictions on non-unionized carriers.

BIG WIN:
For existing carriers, it means they no longer have to expend as much negotiating capital on making sure pilots have REAL rest opportunities.

 

[densoo]

NPR. Dianne Rehm. One hour discussion of new FAA rest rules going on now. Moak talking, along with a major and a regional industry rep. Unfortunately focusing on pilot shortage rather than safety at the start, Moak countering. Sounds like a push to increase retirement age--already saying they'll need government loans to get by. Unbelievable.

Here's the audio, http://thedianerehmshow.org/audio-player?nid=16894.

I did like the regional pilot who called in describe her 7-leg day followed by min block rest giving her six hours in hotel, and the last caller who accurately described the corporate shell game of establishing holding companies that suck all the cash out of the operation.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Wow. Roger Cohen sounds like a great guy! He sounded very interested in safety and he was very proud of the pilots that work for his carriers.

Hahahahahahahahahahahah etc.

 

[Dornier 335]

NPR. Dianne Rehm. One hour discussion of new FAA rest rules going on now. Moak talking, along with a major and a regional industry rep. Unfortunately focusing on pilot shortage rather than safety at the start, Moak countering. Sounds like a push to increase retirement age--already saying they'll need government loans to get by. Unbelievable.

Wasn't there another discussion about this two or three months on NPR's Dianne Rehm?

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Wasn't there another discussion about this two or three months on NPR's Dianne Rehm?

She talked with Ray LaHood about the DC head-to-head.

http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2012-08-07/new-concerns-over-air-traffic-safety