New Delta Contract

[Yuppyguppy]

Since you guys are leading the way what percentage raise do you anticipate getting? Stupid replies need not respond. Just trying to get an idea what is happening over there since you guys are very profitable....contract 2001?

 

[daviator]

I'd rather be the highest compensated pilot than have the highest book rates.
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[nwaf16dude]

Since you guys are leading the way what percentage raise do you anticipate getting? Stupid replies need not respond. Just trying to get an idea what is happening over there since you guys are very profitable....contract 2001?

We don't actually exchange openers until April. it would certainly help if someone like else could raise the bar before then. As is, I expect we'll settle for around 20-25% spread out over 3-4 years, but only if our profit sharing remains intact. The company would love to reduce our profit sharing, but I don't think the pilot group is going to fall for that without some enormous hourly rate increases. With the current projected profitability, we could see profit sharing checks of 25% or more in 2016.

 

[KarmaPolice]

duplicate

 

[GogglesPisano]

Just like last time. 4/8/3/3 with 60% voting yes.

 

[nwaf16dude]

5,10,4,4 gets our 737 guys to 273.10 and our 777 guys to 340.24. If we can get that without changing profit sharing, I'd call that a touchdown, yet some would call me a surrender monkey.

 

[General Lee]

5,10,4,4 gets our 737 guys to 273.10 and our 777 guys to 340.24. If we can get that without changing profit sharing, I'd call that a touchdown, yet some would call me a surrender monkey.

I agree. Without changing profit sharing at all, a 20% raise every 3 years is not bad at all. The last contract did clean up some loose ends (training and vacation pay), and the last TA made 5:15 per day and allowed reserves to get paid the same amount per trip as line holders. Still work to be done (better JV language with a monetary penalty for overage and no one year "cure period" for example, and a higher DC fund contribution ). Everyone wants more pay, and with huge profits it's a legitimate request. It would be nice to see what DALPA actually asks for, though. (Didn't the APA list what they want? Maybe FedEx too?)



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

We need ironclad reroute language. None of this calendar day stuff......If I am supposed to be home at 2pm, the meter runs at double pay until you return me. End of story.

The company has abused every right to this bankruptcy land grab and its time to get it back.

 

[Hawaiian 5-0]

We're all counting on you! Keep raising that bar! Good luck!!!

 

[800Dog]

Just like last time. 4/8/3/3 with 60% voting yes.

Ditto!

 

[catIIIc]

Just keep scope at 76 seats please.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I dont think scope is a serious discussion except on the other end. They just signed a TA (finally) for the Virgin codeshare.

We had a crappy lookback for JV numbers and zero punishment if the company went over the original ratios of flying (which they did) hopefully that loophole is closed. Waiting to see the language

 

[kf4amu]

Just keep scope at 76 seats please.

Why not get some back?

 

[rjacobs]

We need ironclad reroute language. None of this calendar day stuff......If I am supposed to be home at 2pm, the meter runs at double pay until you return me. End of story.

Weve got that at XJT. Re-assignment past pairing termination pays at 150%. Has worked out well for me quite a few times, especially when they DH you back to base after a schedule change and you simply deviate from the DH and go home. 150% pay for a flight you didnt ride on.

 

[Tank Commander]

Quote:
Originally Posted by catIIIc
Just keep scope at 76 seats please.

Why not get some back?

lol

 

[180ToTheMarker]

We need ironclad reroute language. None of this calendar day stuff......If I am supposed to be home at 2pm, the meter runs at double pay until you return me. End of story.

The company has abused every right to this bankruptcy land grab and its time to get it back.

This. Right. Here.

 

[JAM-BRO]

We also need...

5:15 Vac and Trng day
More Vac days
18-20% DC
More per diem
Better Health Care contributions from the company
PS off the table

 

[race#53]

Everyone wants more pay, and with huge profits it's a legitimate request. It would be nice to see what DALPA actually asks for, though. (Didn't the APA list what they want? Maybe FedEx too?)
Bye Bye---General Lee

General,
i side with mgmt on this, you say full pay till the last day but want a bigger cut when profitable.

 

[General Lee]

General,
i side with mgmt on this, you say full pay till the last day but want a bigger cut when profitable.

Uhhhhhhhh, what? "You say..." Do you mean mainline pilots? Full pay is what was negotiated in the latest contract. When bad times occur, there are usually pay cuts (like BK). In good times, there are raises.

It's great you side with management.... How often are management "contracts" broken? Wut wut? Yeah, it's never their fault, always the front line employees. Riiiight. Yeah, it was the pilot group's fault in a fuel hedging debacle. Riiiight.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[xjhawk]

Just keep scope at 76 seats please.

No, just take back the 76 seat planes to mainline. Is it true that United will be bringing their 70-90 seat planes in house by 2017? Why not do the same thing at Delta, making the pilot group even bigger and god forbid if the industry falls again then Delta pilots have more planes to occupy as the list slides backwards. Delta would be able to staff their 76 seat flying, a problem that will just get worse unless something changes and the pilot group would benefit from being larger and having more planes to bid into (not that current pilots would want to bid into something so small).

But this issue is a no cost give for DALPA because most of the benefits go to the company. All the pilots would have to give is lowering the rates on the 900 to maybe 15% above current Endeavor rates. No pilot currently on the list would be harmed ........ Scope is taken back-a bug win for ALPA.