New Chautauqua EMB170/190 Rates vs. jetBlue

[surplus1]

Surplus,

I don't think anybody at CHQ wants to fly 190s at the current CBA rates. I had a captain the other day add up how much an 18 year captain would make guarantee on the 190, it certainly was nothing to write home about for a 100 seat airplane that rivals the A318. Believe me, we weren't proud.

My point is CHQ is not going to be flying 190s anytime soon, and more than likely not in the current CBA due to my reasoning above. People need to chill and wait until 190 orders are announced, then they can start b!tching...

BoilerUP,

I was not complaining about your pay rates at CHQ. I understand fully why you had to do what you did. I do not think that was the fault of the CHQ pilots, I think it was ALPA's fault since I belive that ALPA policy caused the formation of Republic on your property, just as ALPA policy resulted in the creation of Freedom on the Mesa property. Everyone knows what happened to the Mesa contract because of it.

What I did take issue with was your implacation that their might be a J4J program at Comair for Delta pilots. That isn't going to happen in the USAirways format. It could happen in the UAL format, provided the extra pay for those that come over is removed. We are not going to voluntarily permit a higher pay scale for pilots in the same position just because they came from Delta. We are also not going to give up our seniorty so that pilots from another airline can be placed in Captain positions ahead of our own First Officers. Not 50%, not 10%, not 1%. The Filling of Vacancies section of our contract will not be abrogated in favor of the pilots of another airline. ALPA can put that one where the sun don't shine.

Since you already have agreed to a Jets for Jobs program, if the Delta pilots get their company to agree to that in exchange for modified scope, then the additional 70-seaters would logically go to you.

Perhaps I am wrong, but I don't believe that Comair pilots will sacrifice their seniority in favor of Delta pilots to get growth airplanes. I would certainly work as hard as I know how to prevent that.

 

[AviatorTx]

This from another cocky Kotex PFT'er....m'kay.

<----Actually, I even admit to being a cocky COEX guy. Just look by my avatar.

No PFT though. I got hired with enough time not to have to go that route.

 

[jetdawg]

I just want to warn all who may click on jack holes (AviatorTX) danasoft------.com little thing on the bottom of his post. I accidentally did and it clipped a ticket on my computer, locked the *&^% thing up and was a little bit of a pain to take care of it. Coex if you want to know our info. our IPO address and useless info like your ticket said it got have the berries to ask.

 

[MECH]

Actually ALPA is not the union at CHQ.

 

[BoilerUP]

surplus1,

I didn't mean to insinuate that there would be a DALPA J4J deal with CMR/ASA to fly larger aircraft, sorry if that was how it read. I don't blame you for not wanting to give up seniority for the lower pilots on your list.

I do think, however, 717/E190 type aircraft will be flown by DALPA (current or furloughed) pilots. Whether they have "Connection" on the side of them or not, we shall see.

 

[lowecur]

The only way RJET will fly the 190 is if BB decides Republic can do better as an independent (a la Independence). Probably the only this will happen is if Airways or UAL goes Ch. 7. Yup, most likely. I also think there is another scenerio. You may see DL turn all their regional flying over to DCI, due to the demise of the SKYW operation(see below). You can darn sure bet as soon as Republic goes independent every single codeshare will drop Chautauqua, as most airlines have little interest in funding their direct competition. It depends if anyone needs the 170's, and only if they don't compete directly. I think Mesa, SKW, and RJET will evolve into hy-bred Regional for hire/+LCC.

AMR is going to get low-ball rates from APA to compete with Eagle for the (potential) 190 flying they will get. Airways has MidAtlantic to fly their 170s/190s, as long as they have the credit to keep receiving them. DALPA won't allow Connection to fly anything more than the 70 seaters already at CMR/ASA short of a Ch. 11 ruling, and if Connection does get them you can bet they'll be staffed with DAL furloughs. United is the wildcard, but they have SKW and Mesa to get through before offering 100 seaters to RJET. My feeling is the SKW DCI deal will end in the next 12 months. Greenjeans wants to close probably DFW and SLC as hubs. I don't believe the feed they are receiving from SKW will be required, and at that pt most of the CL65's will end up in DL's lap. I think they will turn them over to ASA/CMR and cancel all the other non DL regionals. They will probably cancel the remaining options on the CL's, as the incoming from SKW will be more than they need. 11 is probably the only all of this can be accomplished. I have, however, heard some rumors about a United J4J deal regarding the 170s/190s, although I have no evidence.

 

[BoilerUP]

RJET is 17% owned by DAL. Does that mean we'd get 17% of the DCI flying?