New ALPA President

[Occam's Razor]

No, just a few informed pilots who actually took the time to study how things really work. Just a simple question: have you ever once been a member of a committee or run for an LEC Officer position? If the answer is no, then you've just proven Rez's point. The membership wants to complain as loudly as possible, but none of them want to step up to the plate to do some real work themselves.

Bingo!

So many experts....so few candidates!

 

[JP4user]

No, just a few informed pilots who actually took the time to study how things really work.

Like not paying for training and buying your job? I was paying ALPA dues long before your parents bought your job. Of all people you are the one who needs to keep your mouth shut.

 

[JP4user]

Bingo!

So many experts....so few candidates!

The candidates like Woerth and fellows like PFT_128 are not the type of representation that is needed.

Just because PFT_128 is an officer at Pinnacle doesn't mean his marked backgound makes him an expert either.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I was paying ALPA dues long before your parents bought your job. Of all people you are the one who needs to keep your mouth shut.

You've been paying dues longer and you still don't get it....

He's actually climbing out of the foxhole and fighting for change while you offer only negativity and complaint....




There is always someone better, and it looks like a newbie is more involved and informed than you.



Ignorance, the root and the stem of every evil. Plato


http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/p/plato101112.html

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The candidates like Woerth and fellows like PFT_128 are not the type of representation that is needed..

What do you suggest as an improvement?


One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.
Plato

Just because PFT_128 is an officer at Pinnacle doesn't mean his marked backgound makes him an expert either.

His "marked" background gives a perspective at the table of change. (Everyone brings something to the table) Your apathy and amatuer-hour complaining is a real threat to our future. His background is only an issue (and distraction) if you make it.

 

[JP4user]

You've been paying dues longer and you still don't get it....

He's actually climbing out of the foxhole and fighting for change while you offer only negativity and complaint....




There is always someone better, and it looks like a newbie is more involved and informed than you.



Ignorance, the root and the stem of every evil. Plato

I didn't think it was possible for anyone other than Blue pilots to drink more kool aid.

I wonder what Plato would say about you Duane? Change IS born out of negativity and complaint. Your problem is you want to hear no evil and pretend that the failure of ALPA to truly act as a labor organization or properly represent it's members. It is easy for you to keep complaining the burden is on the membership, which is true from a limited persepctive. But you and your ilk feel that all change nneds to come from the bottom end of the pyramid. That is absolute bull. Leadership starts at the top and no amount of resolutions will change the entrenched way the ALPA elitists do business in Washington. But if you are satisifed with your union and the wonderful job you elitists are doing that is your right.

By the way, I can't stand hot dogs. Duane I know you are used to cavier and filet mignon while hob knobing with the beltway power elite, but it doesn't mean all of us peasents live on Oscar Mayer products.

 

[JP4user]

His "marked" background gives a perspective at the table of change. (Everyone brings something to the table) Your apathy and amatuer-hour complaining is a real threat to our future. His background is only an issue (and distraction) if you make it.

I am happy that oyu feel the need to align yourself with those of suched marked backgrounds. But when you need to have as many allies in your quest to stay on top as you do, you take whatever ilk you can get to agree with you.

Your amatuer hour rationalizations and excuses for the abysmal representation that has been provided by this regime is transparent.

His background is one of the reasons this industry is in the condition it is. You're just to much of a fool to realize it or actually understand the true damage that sjs and pft mentality has on the profession.

Go ahead and align yourself with the ST from PCL128. It only shows your true one sided character.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

It will take nothing short of a miracle to recover from these losses. Yet we're still living, as a union, with pre deregulation policies and concepts.


Do I expect any of that to happen? NO, candidly I do not. We will continue on this course impervious to the icebergs just as the Titanic did.

Surplus1-

I agree in part with your analysis, however, as blue collar employees, we are very dependant on our management and CEOs, regardless of union policy. No matter how great the Titanic is, we are still counting on many: the naval architecture, the navigators and Capt. Smith not to steam a straight line whereas he should've zig-zagged per policy.

Also, if and when the good times return, the peanut butter jar principle will be in full effect....

The Peanut Butter Jar Principle of Management.

At the college I attended, more than 20 years ago now, we dined in a huge build
ing—all 4,000 plus of us at once. Seating arrangements were 10 per table with a mix
of all classes at each table. The seniors sat at the head of the table and the freshmen sat at the end. The peanut butter jars, of course, were somewhere in the middle. We all liked the peanut butter jars—especially a new untouched one. The first person to delve into a “virgin” jar often did so with some ceremony. One day we arrived at lunch to discover the peanut butter jars were gone—replaced by little peanut butter packets. We were not happy. A form was filled out by the freshmen at each meal. After checking the usual boxes— Fast, Neat, Average, Friendly, Good—they would inquire if any upperclassmen had any comments for the form. “We want the peanut butter jars back!” we screamed. Word quickly spread through the 400 plus tables and the write-in campaign was on. Three meals per day, over a thousand forms each day going in to whomever read them, demanding the return of the peanut butter jars. About a month and 30,000 forms later, we arrived at lunch and, while milling around the tables prior to the announcements that proceeded our dining, we noticed THE JARS WERE BACK! The crescendo of conversational noise in the huge hall was appreciably louder than normal as people took notice. We fell silent as the announcements from “the tower” began. The final
announcement, appropriately, was simply “…and gentlemen, the peanut butter jars have
returned!” PANDEMONIUM! Four thousand guys celebrating like we’d just beaten Army and Navy in football on the same afternoon. Except for one guy. Standing to my left was Dave T., one class senior to me. Dave had this little grin on his face as he sadly shook his head while observing the raucous behavior of the student body. “What’s
wrong with you?” I asked. His reply was something I’d never forget. “Look at everybody…so happy…yet we don’t have one thing we didn’t have a month ago.”
Dave, for some irrational reason, later chose to be an officer in the Marines, but I’ll never
forget him as the author of what I later dubbed “The Peanut Butter Jar Principle of Management.” The concept is simple. If you want to raise the morale of the workforce you don’t necessarily have to give them anything. Merely taking something away and reinstating it later will have the same effect.


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[pylut]

Posted by cheerleader Rez -

You expect the ALPA leadership to go to jail. But you? Didn't think so.

That's correct, I do expect the leadership of ALPA to go to jail. I can only hope you are included in that group rez. I would be overjoyed if my dollars spent in the alpo lawsuit resulted in your incarceration. 2 birds with one stone, right the wrong and lock up alpos number one delusional cheerleader.

You like to point the finger quite a bit. You may be informed, but it hasn't appeared to make you any less ignorant.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I didn't think it was possible for anyone other than Blue pilots to drink more kool aid..

Yeah, I see you on the jB threads.....

I wonder what Plato would say about you Duane? .

You're going to continue to wonder....

Change IS born out of negativity and complaint..

No, change is born out of action and particpation. You offer nothing but regression.

Your problem is you want to hear no evil and pretend that the failure of ALPA to truly act as a labor organization or properly represent it's members. It is easy for you to keep complaining the burden is on the membership, which is true from a limited persepctive.

I've already adreesed this. Now you want to go in circles, never looking in the mirror. But I'll negotiate with you. How about it is the leadership and the memberships burden. Can we share the responsibilty? It is obvious that your method of apathy, whining and complaining doesn't do anything. It's doesn't address the poor leadership and doesn't address change. We all know its stinks right now, we don't need geniuses like you to tell us what we already know. What we do need is solutions. Do you have any?

But you and your ilk feel that all change nneds to come from the bottom end of the pyramid. That is absolute bull. Leadership starts at the top and no amount of resolutions will change the entrenched way the ALPA elitists do business in Washington. But if you are satisifed with your union and the wonderful job you elitists are doing that is your right. .

As I said before I am not satified with our leadership. I think we can do better. Takes your lenes off and view the situation without your hate, fear and apathy. In order for change to occur we must empower the membership. If the leadership won't empower us, then I say we empower ourselves.

Get out of the foxhole JP4user...

By the way, I can't stand hot dogs. Duane I know you are used to cavier and filet mignon while hob knobing with the beltway power elite, but it doesn't mean all of us peasents live on Oscar Mayer products.

More amatuer hour distractions. Keep your eye on your career, its is passing you by...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I am happy that oyu feel the need to align yourself with those of suched marked backgrounds. But when you need to have as many allies in your quest to stay on top as you do, you take whatever ilk you can get to agree with you..

Ancedoctal.

Your amatuer hour rationalizations and excuses for the abysmal representation that has been provided by this regime is transparent..

Amatuer hour? You're running out of debate.

His background is one of the reasons this industry is in the condition it is. You're just to much of a fool to realize it or actually understand the true damage that sjs and pft mentality has on the profession..

Playing the blame game. As long as you can claim victim status it isn't your fault and therefore not your responsbility.

Go ahead and align yourself with the ST from PCL128. It only shows your true one sided character.

Please explain in detail this statement.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Posted by cheerleader Rez -

That's correct, I do expect the leadership of ALPA to go to jail. I can only hope you are included in that group rez. I would be overjoyed if my dollars spent in the alpo lawsuit resulted in your incarceration. 2 birds with one stone, right the wrong and lock up alpos number one delusional cheerleader.

You like to point the finger quite a bit. You may be informed, but it hasn't appeared to make you any less ignorant.

Not the cheerleader of ALPA, just calling out the membership.

Your post is the typical blame game, I am a victim, it is not my fault. Are you using the inner city blacks playbook? The Rainbow/PUSH coalition?

 

[jetflier]

Hi Rez,

Are you really DW? ...you never address that question......

If you're not, then where does your intimate knowledg base come from? Sounds pretty official to me.

...wodering,........

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Hi Rez,

Are you really DW? ...you never address that question......

Read post #60.

then where does your intimate knowledg base come from? .....

It doesn't come from NOT attending LEC meetings.
It doesn't come from NOT calling my LEC reps.
It doesn't come from NOT reading Flying the Line I & II, or Hard landings, etc.
It doesn't come from NOT particpating in my LEC elections.
It doesn't come from NOT reading FASTREADS
It doesn't come from NOT particpating in ALPA-PAC.
It doesn't come from relying on crewroom and cockpit misinformation.
It doesn't come from apathy and cyncism.
It does't come from the blame game and claiming victim status.
It doesn't come from creating unrealistic expectations.

 

[pylut]

Your post is the typical blame game, I am a victim, it is not my fault. Are you using the inner city blacks playbook? The Rainbow/PUSH coalition?

I ceased being a victim when I ceased paying dues to the corrupt self serving beauracracy masquerading as a union.

As for the blame game..u seem to be the one to point blame at everyone except your beloved alpo. a little defensive are we?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I ceased being a victim when I ceased paying dues to the corrupt self serving beauracracy masquerading as a union.

Then you have no intrests in the issue, but yet you still post on the subject. Why?

As for the blame game..u seem to be the one to point blame at everyone except your beloved alpo. a little defensive are we?

Not defensive at all. As I said many times, which indicates, you can't read or you read what you want, ALPA has many problems, chiefly its effectiveness. The current state of the membership isn't working. ALPA members can complain that the President is doing a poor job but that nothing changes after the complaints.

Since the current state of the membership, apathy and cyncism, isn't working, the membership has to control what they can; its own education and participation.

Change is only going to happen when apathy turns to action. Complaining only feeds the vicious cylce of ineffectiveness.

 

[pylut]

Then you have no intrests in the issue, but yet you still post on the subject. Why?

No interest in the issue huh? I have an interest in right and wrong. I'm not a member of alqueda either, but I speak out against them. I will continue to speak out against your sorry excuse for a union.
I will also continue to fund the TWA pilots lawsuit against your worthless beauracracy.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

No interest in the issue huh? I have an interest in right and wrong. I'm not a member of alqueda either, but I speak out against them. I will continue to speak out against your sorry excuse for a union.
I will also continue to fund the TWA pilots lawsuit against your worthless beauracracy.

Oh your ex-TWA...... got it.....

 

[pylut]

No,
I'm ex-alpa. I will always be proud to be TWA

 

[FDJ2]

No,
I'm ex-alpa. I will always be proud to be TWA

Bitter are we? Ready, shoot, aim.

 

[maru657]

No real opinion regarding most of this subject,, I was burnt out on ALPA a long time ago. I'm not anti-labor but I saw so many mistakes by ALPA during the years that I lost all hope in the organization. For the TWA guys and gals suing ALPA read up on the suits by former Frontier pilots, Southern Airways pilots, Braniff pilots, Eastern pilots or the almost endless list of disabused pilots who supported the organization with time, money and ultimately their careers. It's a sad tale.

 

[pylut]

Bitter?
no,
just a statementof fact.
I am definitely on to the happily everafter phase of life.
The lawsuit is simply about accountability and righting a wrong.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The lawsuit is simply about accountability and righting a wrong.

What is the legal basis of the lawsuit and what does the group harmed hope to gain?

 

[FDJ2]

Bitter?
no,
just a statementof fact.
I am definitely on to the happily everafter phase of life.
The lawsuit is simply about accountability and righting a wrong.

Well it comes across as a jaded opinion, but regardless I'm glad you are happy now. I don't give your lawsuit much of a chance though, but it's still a free country so you'll have your day in court, although I don't think you'll like the result.