Never Forget

[lowtimedriver]

Like I said before, open the damn hatches and turn friggin Iran into glass. We are going to have to do it eventually with these idiots. They think when they die they get 80 virgins. I say let's speed up the process.

 

[WabiSabi]

FN, for the jeeze "Vietnam" crowd. We have no idea what the world would be like without the Vietnam War. For reasons unknown; you and I may be a beneficiary of the Vietnam War, we just don't know how it effected the world. Remember we were in a cold war with the Russia's for world domination, Vietnam, like Korea, was a hot spot in the cold war. Badly fought yes, unfortunate in its outcome probably. Don't join the Vietnam was a complete waste, we just don't know. BTW these terrorists want to die for their cause; it is our duty to kill as many of them as possible to fulfill their desires.

How about these for starters?

We entered the war to depose Ho Chi Minh and eradicate the Communists from Vietnam. This of course failed. In other words, we lost. This loss resulted in 1.5 million deaths. If that isn't waste, I don't know the definition.

Our involvement in the Vietnam war destablized the region and made it ripe for Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge to massacre 1.7 million Cambodians. So I guess that it wasn't a "complete waste".

 

[big_al]

saudi arabia and pakistan, THE funding of 9-11. ALLIES of the bush administration. what a slap in the face. and you people keep eating up the knee jerk emotional responses.

 

[pipejockey]

They think when they die they get 80 virgins. I say let's speed up the process.

I thought it was 76. Whats with their obsession with these virgins anyway? I'd rather have someone who knows just how to do it!

 

[pilotyip]

Wasibi, that is the beauty of being a US citizen, a right granted by the US Constitution, enforced by a gov't elected by you and your fellow citizens; you can think anything you want, How about Korean, about 1M died there was that worth while?

 

[waverider]

So what really happened?

There's no question about if and/or who flew those airliners into the twin towers (and yes, contrary to what some believe, into the Pentagon) on that tragic day back in '01. Yes, we know those events happened and we know who were at the controls of those aircraft. The real questions that need addressing are did those aircraft possess sufficient amounts of energy on their own to cause the collapse of the WTC towers? And if not, then what else could cause those buildings to collapse? If something else did cause them to collapse who else was involved in orchestrating it?

A vast number of people have probably not even thought to question the notion (that the towers were brought down solely by hijacked airliners). No doubt, there are a good many that have, but they've quickly put on their blinkers and closed their minds to the other possibilities because anything else would seem too bizarre to be plausible, and/or too mind blowing to fully comprehend (the fact that 9/11 even happened at all is mind blowing enough). And for others, possibly to prevent their good faith in the powers that run our great nation from being shaken to its very foundation.

However, I think that it’s vitally important that we take an objective approach and ask these hard questions and to seek the right answers so that maybe, just maybe we can ascertain wtf really happened.

A closer analysis of the WTC collapse may prove to be enlightening....

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12018.htm

 

[Gorilla]

It's Kid C back from the grave!

Let me turn the table... why do you choose to believe this outlandish fabrication that it was a govt conspiracy when the overwhelming evidence points to a solo al-quaeda operation?

Ponder this - if the idea is a "pretext to go to war, get the oil" - why not release some nerve agent at a mall or sporting event. Clean, simple, and massive casualties, with a low likelihood of being caught.

Next, the gov't investigators "link" the nerve agent to al quaeda, and further determine that it was supplied by Iraq. Score! Instant afghan and Iraq war, just like we have now, without the ridiculous, complex, and risky act of faking multiple hijackings, and loading the towers (undetected) with what would have to be tens of thousands of pounds of explosives.

The conspiracy loons point to the pancake-style of implosion on the towers as "proof." Don't you think they'd have placed the explosives sloppily and in such a way that the towers would tip over rather than implode? More realistic, greater casualties?

Give it a rest. It wasn't a conspiracy of the U.S. gov't or those evil jewish bankers. In case you didn't know, a lot of Jews died that day. They didn't have secret knowledge.

 

[AerroMatt]

Nuke the entire Middle East, and let Allah sort out the guilty from the innocent. We can always drill for Oil through the glass parking lot.

 

[dseagrav]

There's no question about...

Please. The government couldn't even keep Clinton's blow-job in the oval office a secret. Dubya can't even button his own shirt. What makes you think for a moment they're capable of something like staging 9-11?

 

[big_al]

Please. The government couldn't even keep Clinton's blow-job in the oval office a secret. Dubya can't even button his own shirt. What makes you think for a moment they're capable of something like staging 9-11?

explain how black programs stay black then? and how did the government try to keep Clintons BJ a secret?

 

[dseagrav]

explain how black programs stay black then?

Because they're done by Lockheed or Boeing and not the government.

 

[big_al]

Because they're done by Lockheed or Boeing and not the government.

oh right, at lockheed or boeing airfields with lockheed or boeing pilots

once the government got ahold of the B-2 and F-117A... they couldnt keep a secret, right???

you fail

 

[dseagrav]

you fail

gb2/b

 

[big_al]

so basically you are claiming the military is full of snitches

 

[dseagrav]

so basically you are claiming the military is full of snitches

When it comes to murdering a few thousand of your own countrymen - YES.

 

[waverider]

Time for Moderation

Ok, maybe I went too far in suggesting that there was a connection with these events and agencies of the U.S. Gov’t. I understand this is an emotionally charged topic, so I will refrain from making suggestions such as that when there is insufficient evidence to support that opinion. There’s no doubt that the hijackings took place, they were most certainly very real. What I am postulating is that the laws of physics are undeniable. If the data and the data analysis presented in the video footage is accurate then, yes, I think we need to consider that maybe there’s more to what occurred than we realize.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12018.htm

 

[waverider]

It's Kid C back from the grave!

Let me turn the table... why do you choose to believe this outlandish fabrication that it was a govt conspiracy when the overwhelming evidence points to a solo al-quaeda operation?

Ponder this - if the idea is a "pretext to go to war, get the oil" - why not release some nerve agent at a mall or sporting event. Clean, simple, and massive casualties, with a low likelihood of being caught.

Next, the gov't investigators "link" the nerve agent to al quaeda, and further determine that it was supplied by Iraq. Score! Instant afghan and Iraq war, just like we have now, without the ridiculous, complex, and risky act of faking multiple hijackings, and loading the towers (undetected) with what would have to be tens of thousands of pounds of explosives.

The conspiracy loons point to the pancake-style of implosion on the towers as "proof." Don't you think they'd have placed the explosives sloppily and in such a way that the towers would tip over rather than implode? More realistic, greater casualties?

Give it a rest. It wasn't a conspiracy of the U.S. gov't or those evil jewish bankers. In case you didn't know, a lot of Jews died that day. They didn't have secret knowledge.

I take exception to your last comment, “I realize you despise the U.S. Gov't.” That is your opinion, and you are can think what you like. I am proud of this country and what it stands for, just as much as much as any other law abiding citizen of our nation is. But, I will not just blindly accept whatever is information is fed to us, like sheep in a paddock, when I see that there is sufficient evidence that calls into question the official version of the events that transpired. I don’t have all the answers, but I do think a healthy dose of skepticism can be beneficial in certain instances to uncover truths about the world that we live in. We’d still be living very much in the dark ages if it were not for the inquisitive minds of scientists and scholars of the past utilizing paradigms such as this and seeking out the truth; and we should not stop now because of convenience. Our civilization could not have advanced as far as it has without the questioning minds that went against the grain of popular opinion. Were it not for that you may not have had the luxury of arguing your position today over an electronic mass communications medium that is the internet. A case in point is Benjamin Franklin, who was a revolutionary thinker, questioner, and philosopher who dared to question the established consensus. He was also a scientist that discovered electricity and who also happened to be one of the founding fathers of our great nation. Let’s not forget where we came from

 

[waverider]

It's Kid C back from the grave!

Let me turn the table... why do you choose to believe this outlandish fabrication that it was a govt conspiracy when the overwhelming evidence points to a solo al-quaeda operation?

Ponder this - if the idea is a "pretext to go to war, get the oil" - why not release some nerve agent at a mall or sporting event. Clean, simple, and massive casualties, with a low likelihood of being caught.

Next, the gov't investigators "link" the nerve agent to al quaeda, and further determine that it was supplied by Iraq. Score! Instant afghan and Iraq war, just like we have now, without the ridiculous, complex, and risky act of faking multiple hijackings, and loading the towers (undetected) with what would have to be tens of thousands of pounds of explosives.

The conspiracy loons point to the pancake-style of implosion on the towers as "proof." Don't you think they'd have placed the explosives sloppily and in such a way that the towers would tip over rather than implode? More realistic, greater casualties?

Give it a rest. It wasn't a conspiracy of the U.S. gov't or those evil jewish bankers. In case you didn't know, a lot of Jews died that day. They didn't have secret knowledge.

With regard to your statement “Instant afghan and Iraq war, just like we have now, without the ridiculous, complex, and risky act of faking multiple hijackings, and loading the towers (undetected) with what would have to be tens of thousands of pounds of explosives.”

It is obvious that you have not taken the time to watch the entire footage found in the documentary viewed via the link in my original post, so I will elaborate on some of the details here. According to the analysis the collapse of WTC1 and WTC2 as a controlled demolition would have required approximately 2.7 tons and 1.4 tons of TNT to generate the seismic shockwaves recorded of 2.3 and 2.1 on the Richter scale, respectively. That is approximately 8200 lbs (1 Ton=2000lbs) of TNT in total. Agreed, this is still a sizeable amount, but it is significantly less (by at least half) than the “tens of thousands of pounds of explosives” that you are suggesting it would take. Read the following article (the relevant info is highlighted in red):


http://thewebfairy.com/nerdcities/WTC/WTC_ch1.htm

 

[waverider]

The impacts of the jet airliners caused a shockwave of 0.9 and 0.7 on the Richter scale respectively. In other words the seismic energy of each impact was the equivalent of less than 30lbs of TNT, an obviously insufficient amount of energy to cause each tower to collapse with that alone. The weapon used in the 1993 WTC bombing, was much larger (a 1310lb urea nitrate fuel-oil device) and even though it killed 6 and injured over 1000 people there was no collapse on that occasion.

 

[waverider]

Then what about the ensuing fires?

But, what about the fires that burned as result of the ignited jet fuel? In order to melt the steel structure an internal temperature of between 2600-3000 F degrees would have had to have been reached over a consistent period of several hours. Yet the buildings collapsed in just one hour. While it is possible that temperatures as high as these were reached, we can only speculate as to what the actual internal temperatures really were. However, there is circumstantial evidence that suggests that the temperatures in the impact regions were not as hot as the official reports assumed. Several eye-witness statements of survivors that escaped support this (the relevant info is highlighted in red):

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/WTC_ch2.htm