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AeroBoy

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

November 10, 2003



PILOTS DESCRIBE NEGOTIATIONS WITH BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY SUBSIDIARY AS CONTENTIOUS AND UNSATISFACTORY



The airline that sold wealthy travelers on the concept of fractional ownership of luxury business jets has been unsuccessful in convincing its pilots to accept proposals for a new collective bargaining agreement.



The National Mediation Board has appointed a mediator to participate in negotiations between NetJets, Inc. and the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, Airline Division, Local 284. NetJets, Inc. is the largest fractional airline in the nation, serving an elite customer base that owns shares in small to heavy luxury business jets.



The Teamsters represent pilots, flight attendants, maintenance technicians and service personnel employed by Columbus, Ohio based NetJets Aviation, Inc. The mediator was appointed at the request of the union. The contract under negotiation covers approximately 1,900 pilots.



NetJets management and the pilot’s union have been in negotiations for over two years. The current collective bargaining agreement became amendable on October 1, 2001. In 1998, billionaire investor Warren Buffet’s Berkshire Hathaway, Inc. purchased NetJets, Inc. The company’s website describes it as “the financially strongest aviation company in the world.”



Dave Vermeulen, a NetJets pilot who serves as the chairman of the pilots’ Master Executive Council and a business representative for the Teamsters, describes negotiations as “contentious and largely unsatisfactory from a pilot standpoint.” Pilot schedules, geographical basing requirements, the length of duty and rest periods, and the ability of the company to perform flights with non-union pilots are at the core of the dispute.



The Teamsters accuse management of making regressive proposals despite the company’s continuing dominance of the fractional airline industry. “Management is totally out of touch if they believe pilots are willing to go backwards in any area of their contract,” Mr. Vermeulen said. “Many of their proposals have been dead on arrival.”



According to published data, NetJets claims a market share of approximately 72 percent, up from near 54 percent two years ago. An August 2003 study by Aviation Research Group US, Inc. rated NetJets as the industry leader in owner loyalty and customer service.



The union intends to propose significant salary and benefit increases after attempting to resolve disputed working conditions with the assistance of the mediator. “Our negotiators have informed the company that dramatic improvements in working conditions and compensation are expected and will be secured, one way or the other,” Mr. Vermeulen said.



A seven year captain receives a gross salary of $67,560.00 annually. First officer pay is capped at $32,160.00. Approximately thirty pilots assigned to the Boeing Business Jet, a luxury 737 capable of long distance international trips, earn more.



“NetJets’ customers represent an elite segment of the flying public – the very wealthy, athletes and entertainers,” Mr. Vermeulen said. “Many of them would be shocked to learn that the pilots who fly them earn significantly less than commercial and corporate pilots.”



Mediator Brad Laslett will be in Columbus, Ohio for negotiations beginning November 11. Mr. Laslett has scheduled additional negotiation sessions throughout the winter.
 
It's a real press release issued by IBT Local 284. If you don't believe me, call them at (614) 228-0727.

PS-Please don't make such serious accusations unless you have proof to back it up. Misspelling Buffett's name is quite common and does not qualify as substantial proof. Your cynicism will be disproven.

PSS-If you're going to correct others for spelling (I didn't write the release--it was e-mailed to me directly by Dave Vermeulen. I just cut and pasted it here as a courtesy. See if I ever do that again with you guys on my back.), then please learn how to spell "bait" correctly. I can assure you that it's not flame bait.
 
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Additional confirmation - per todays AIN Alert:

NetJets Pilots Hope Mediator Will Resolve Contract Disputes
After more than two years of negotiations for a new contract, the union representing 1,900 NetJets pilots is taking its case to mediation to help break the impasse. The National Mediation Board has appointed a mediator to help resolve negotiations between NetJets and Teamster’s Local 284. Negotiations including the mediator are scheduled to start today in Columbus, Ohio, and could continue through the winter, although there is no set timetable. Up to now, union representatives have described negotiations with the world’s largest fractional operator as “contentious and largely unsatisfactory from a pilot standpoint.” Schedules, basing requirements, the length of duty and rest periods and the “ability of the company to perform flights with nonunion pilots” are at the core of the dispute, according to NetJets pilot and union official Dave Vermeulen. The Teamsters accuse NetJets management of making “regressive proposals despite the company’s continuing dominance” of the fractional-ownership industry. Pilot salaries have remained unchanged since 1998, Vermeulen said. A seven-year captain receives a gross annual salary of $67,560 and first officer pay is capped at $32,160 annually. The salary for starting BBJ captains is $135,000, Vermeulen said. A representative from NetJets was unavailable for comment at press time.
 
Great scoop Aero Boy!!!!!!!!
Sad to say you got the message before our membership. I don't get the feeling you are a "brother," but I could be wrong.
Thanks none the less.
 
A lot of guys at Flight Options have their cards at home waiting to see what the teamsters get for Netjets before they decide to send them in. Good Luck to all of you I hope you get everything you want. That would put the screws to Raytheon as well and help all the pilots in the fractional industry.
 
I hope you guys get this resolved soon. One of the companies that comes into our home base frequently just bought a 3/4 share of a Challenger for supplemental lift from Flex Jets. They wanted a Falcon 2000 from you guys, but they were afraid that there would be labor problems with NetJets so they went to Flex Jets.
 
Trust me, we want this resolved soon also, and not just because you claim we lost the sale of 3/4 of a Falcon.
As they say, "We could have voted in a $hitty contract 2 years ago." It does seem to be dragging on forever and at least we've reached the hurdle of getting a mediator assigned. Hopefully a great contract will be less than a year away and the non-union fractional pilots will benefit from our efforts also.
Too bad Ricci won't be around to give his promised "NetJets plus 15%"
 
Majik said:
Trust me, we want this resolved soon also, and not just because you claim we lost the sale of 3/4 of a Falcon.

PM me. I'll give you the name company's name and you can confirm the details for yourself.
 
GEXDriver said:
PM me. I'll give you the name company's name and you can confirm the details for yourself.

I don't want to PM you to confirm it. I wasn't questioning your claim. I hope NJA makes tons of sales and continues to do so, and I'm confident that FlexJet will continue to make sales also. I wish all fractional pilots well. I hope "we" lead the way and I hope the others are "hot on our heels"

My point was that I will wait as long as it takes to either reach an agreement or be released for action. I'm not going to settle for something less, just because some customer shopped elsewhere because he/she was concerned about labor negotiations at NetJets. Actually, I'm glad a potential customer noticed we are over 2 years past the contract ammendable date. Maybe he'll talk to some of his buddies that are NetJet owners and they'll let Santulli know their concerns.

Thanks for the information and the offer.
 
Majik said:
Actually, I'm glad a potential customer noticed we are over 2 years past the contract ammendable date. Maybe he'll talk to some of his buddies that are NetJet owners and they'll let Santulli know their concerns.

I wouldn't hold out any hope that many, if any, owners will do the Teamsters lobbying for you.
 
CatYaaak said:
I wouldn't hold out any hope that many, if any, owners will do the Teamsters lobbying for you.

You may be right, that many may not care if their service stands a chance at getting interrupted for a while. Probably wouldn't even mind flying commercial, paying for charter or postponing their travel while they wait for the pilots to come back to work. I wonder if they would have to continue paying management fees while they wait. They are generally a patient and understanding group. You may be right, that they are probably not the type that would pick up a phone and voice their concerns to Santulli.

Or, you may be wrong... Maybe more than a handful might voice their concerns if they became aware that there may be a problem looming in the future. I like to "Hope for the best but expect the worse". Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised that way.
 
Or maybe

Majik said:
You may be right, that many may not care if their service stands a chance at getting interrupted for a while. Probably wouldn't even mind flying commercial, paying for charter or postponing their travel while they wait for the pilots to come back to work. I wonder if they would have to continue paying management fees while they wait. They are generally a patient and understanding group. You may be right, that they are probably not the type that would pick up a phone and voice their concerns to Santulli.

Or, you may be wrong... Maybe more than a handful might voice their concerns if they became aware that there may be a problem looming in the future. I like to "Hope for the best but expect the worse". Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised that way.

Oh, they will care about an "interruption of service" all right, no doubt about it. And someone will pick up the phone; probably the General Counsel of thier company, demanding that their contract be fulfilled. Except as a matter of passing interest, do you really think they're going to care WHY an airplane doesn't show up on the ramp? Maybe, they will come to the conclusion that contracting with a company using Teamsters = labor problems (like so many other companies), unpredictability, hassles for them, and choose not to renew their contracts when the time comes. And contract renewal time always comes, memories are long, and you don't become the kind of sucessful business that needs, and can afford, access to their own private jet/s without being willing and able to change with a changing climate.

They're smart enough to know NetJets isn't the only game in town, that they have other options. Maybe they'll choose a non-union fractional or buy their own airplanes/hire their own pilots that they can always depend on to be there. If they fly a lot (over appx. 400 hrs/year) it's less expensive to have their own flight department anyway, and they never go on strike. I'm sure you'll keep a few actors and golfers around though, but don't count on those owners running serious businesses or companies that use you as supplemental uplift sticking around.

If your "product" becomes as unreliable as the airlines because of protracted labor disputes, they'll treat you as such....and vote with their feet just like they were doing when they bought into your program in the first place. They were sold Reliability and Convenience, but they surely aren't a captive audience like your flip-flop, lowest fare-seeking, no-other-option airline crowd who always come back if the ticket price is right no matter how much they've been screwed in the past.

I hope you get your raises, etc., but IMO (an opinon based on 14 years of corporate and fractional flying) the act of going on strike (becoming unreliable) would be counterproductive because of the nature of your customer base. Without those who ultimately pay the bills and your salary, even the gravy-est of Gravy Train contracts "won" from Management won't mean squat for very long. If you do go strike, I'd suggest holding out for a non-furlough clause too. Good luck.
 
Re: Or maybe

CatYaaak[/i] [B]I wouldn't hold out any hope that many said:
Oh, they will care about an "interruption of service" all right, no doubt about it. And someone will pick up the phone; probably the General Counsel of thier company, demanding that their contract be fulfilled.

CatYaaak,
Now that sounds exactly like what I was talking about. I heard that in June 2001 the owners received a 6% increase in management fees (to pay anticipated increases in pilot salaries). Problem was, those increases never got passed to the pilots. Note: A 5% increase in management fees would double current pilot salaries.
Now if I were an owner, and you raised my fees and told me the reason was because you needed to pay the pilots more, then, when my service looks like it might be interrupted and I discover that one of the biggest reasons was because the CEO never spent the money for the reason he stated, then I might be miffed and pick up the phone and make my disappointment known.

Santulli has to weigh all of the things you mentioned in the remainder of your last post. He can either increase pilot salaries with the money he's previously collected from the owners, or, he can take a chance that a potential disruption in owner services will not damage current customer relations and future sales. Does he want to see a strike? Heck no. Does he want to give up a big pot of "extra" money he's been holding on to for over 2 1/2 years. Probably not but it may be a better choice than the alternative. I think Santulli is a smart man and will make the best decision for the long-term benefit of the company and it's pilots.
 
Re: Or maybe

Maybe they'll choose a non-union fractional or buy their own airplanes/hire their own pilots that they can always depend on to be there. If they fly a lot (over appx. 400 hrs/year) it's less expensive to have their own flight department anyway, and they never go on strike. I'm sure you'll keep a few actors and golfers around though, but don't count on those owners running serious businesses or companies that use you as supplemental uplift sticking around.

Uhhhhhh, yeah, and thats why Netjets sells more shares, and more importantly has the highest retention in the idustry, even being more expensive, and Union........ As you make that sound bad.

Could be.

By the way, this will never get to a strike.
 
Netjets

I left Netjets in 2000 because of the money! Good company and good people to fly with- excellent training also. Except I got tired of Santulli working our asses off while ripping off his own customers- All the while Teamsters not doing crap for us. So you have a choice as I did. Do something about it or leave.
Just my $.02cents. Fly safe Gents.
 
Webslinger, good move.

Good people, good company and good training dont help you pay the bills.

Where you at now?
 
SWA pay wages my ass!! When you fly with guys that are just happy to be flying jets all day and you hear b.s. like," I'd be fine with a 20% pay increase or I don't think it's realistic to have 100% retro" I'll believe it when I see it.. The sad thing is most NetJets Pilots don't quite understand how much leverage they have!!
 
another .02

about the schedule.... the 7/7 was used very efficiently by EJM when the 'float' existed. All 'line holders' had a 7/7 sched and all others had the flex which had 7 day tours and a minimum of a 5 day off period and a maximum of 17 days in any month (and they usually worked less days overall than line holders). It seemed to work out well for everyone, the only drawback for our flex people was that they did not know schedule for the following month until the 20th of the month before, but they were able to request certain days off the schedulers tried to work with them on that.
 
Its all the company working over the union. Do you really think any family man would actuially choose to be gone 7 days a time. Hell no. This 7/7 schedule is one of the most contentious items in the new contract. The company is making the union think it doesnt want it when in fact the company is just trying to make sure we dont ask for anything else.
Our union keeps telling us that the company is motivated to complete the contract yet they will always tell you that the company negotiators often show up completely unprepared. The company is in full control of the negotiation process, not the other way around. Its like throwing a ball with a dog, the dog will just go back for more, and more and more... eventually the dog will get tired but what will it do nothing, fall asleep. Were just getting the run around.
The sad part is if this contract actually came through, IMHO, this job could be just as good as a major. There are alot of factors to weigh and the money, no commuting, flying, etc. could make NJA a great career. As it stands now its just a steping stone like the regionals, except with rediculous mins for hire, and Santulli will probably try to keep it this way. I honestly hope I get to eat my words but lets not all hold our breath.
 

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