NetJets orders ANOTHER 40 Hawker Business Jets for Europe and North America

[On Your Six]

Straight from AIN Online:


NetJets Orders Another 40 Hawker Business Jets
Yesterday’s announcement that NetJets has ordered another 40 Hawker business jets brings to about $1 billion the total value of NetJets’ Raytheon Aircraft transactions since last December. That was when the fractional operator contracted for 58 Hawker jets, a purchase valued at about $360 million. The new order, exceeding $300 million in value, is for 20 Hawker 800XPs and 20 Hawker 400XPs to be based in Europe and North America. Deliveries are to be made starting next year through 2007. “Raytheon’s commitment to customer service and quality aircraft were key factors in our decision,” said NetJets chairman Richard Santulli. In addition to these orders, NetJets in February ordered two Hawker 800XPs and signed a comprehensive 10-year maintenance contract with Raytheon Aircraft. NetJets currently operates more than 500 business jets from five manufacturers and employs 2,800 staff pilots (including 500 hired last year, the company said).

 

[FLYLOW22]

Straight from AIN Online:


NetJets Orders Another 40 Hawker Business Jets

NetJets currently operates more than 500 business jets from five manufacturers and employs 2,800 staff pilots (including 500 hired last year, the company said).

We hired 500 pilots last year?!?! WTFO!! Maybe 50.

 

[banned username 2]

We hired 500 pilots last year?!?! WTFO!! Maybe 50.

LOL!!! Typical PR... Companies always have a way of mangling the truth...

 

[AA717driver]

Are they replacements or additions?TC

 

[DO-82 driver]

AA717,


The Ultra's will slowly be phased out, however, the number of aircraft coming onto the property is far greater than the numbers leaving. A number of Ultras are actually going to be RVSM certified, so I guess we'll still fly them for a while longer. The Hawker 800XP fleet is expanding, The Excel fleet is expanding, Several Sovereigns are due by the end of the year, and the Beechjet 400XP(Sorry, I can't call it Hawker), is geared up....Hring in going strong.....about 30 interviews a week, I think. And next year the plan is hire several hundred more.

 

[dkte737]

those are numbers (fleet and pilots) from all Netjets companies.

 

[CRJ700 FO]

Those numbers are for NJA only. The other sister compnaies are treated as completely seperate entities.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Are they replacements or additions?TC

Both. What's hard to say is how many will go to NJEurope and how many will go to NJA.

 

[NJA Capt]

Those numbers are for NJA only. The other sister compnaies are treated as completely seperate entities.

Not true....NJA only has approx 1800 pilots. The article quotes 2800 pilots. That means they did include all the sub-companies, ie...EJM, NJI, NJE and NJME. Worldwide maybe we did hire 500 pilots, but not very many in the States.

 

[dkte737]

i can tell you right now, NJA does not have 500 airplanes (300+ at NJA) nor does it have 2800 pilots(NJA has 1806 as of the last seniority list dated 6/23/2004). these are numbers from NJA, NJI, NJM, NJE and NJmiddle east.

David

 

[x402]

It's not a concidence that these aircraft announcements are coming at the end of the negotiations with the IBT 284, that represents the majority of the pilots at NJA, Inc. These planes may or may not make it to Ohio. We were going to get 50 CJ3's, but that changed. Horizons (all 50) are history, so don't bet the farm on these press releases. And don't bet your career.

It is an effort to show the expanse of the Netjets/Execjet world.

In fact the core business has always been the CMH based pilot core, Netjets. We have worked for substandard wages that have allowed the developement of all the spinoffs. Our work has bought Netjets Europe/ Saudi/ ect. The Company is trying to paint a picture of a company that is bigger than the pilots that work under the contract with IBT 284 and Netjets.

If you are looking to hire on with Netjets, beware. As has been stated in earlier posts,you will sit right seat for, I'm guessing 2/3 of PIC rates, with a long time until upgrade. (and we don't even know what those rates will be)

So beware, don't believe what you hear in your interview. Ask friends that are online or keep reading this board.

 

[TailDraggerTed]

NetJets isn't perfect, but consider the source of all the "statistics" your guys are arguing about. It's "AIN." I get the AIN magazine, and often read more inaccurate statements in there than factual ones. Makes you wonder who is checking the facts.

 

[x402]

Sorry, Ted, these aren't bad quotes by AIN, these are Netjets press releases. They are put out for the reasons I stated in my previous post. Our negotiations are wrapping up and the company is flexing.

 

[BrnJetFuel]

I'm a NetJets Pilot

I'm a NetJets Pilot and I'm underpaid.

Don't apply or even think of coming to work here. Wait and see if we get the contract we deserve. I'f you come here you will only be disappointed. You aren't helping us or anyone else by applying here. Stay away!

On another note. Why hasn't anyone talked about how FLOPS won't be getting any further deliveries of the types of aircraft that NJA has ordered. IE. 400xp and perhaps the 800xp's? We cancelled our orders with Cessna because Citation Shares (CESSNA) elected to add larger aircraft than they said they would when they asked if they could form a company with TAG.

We took the business to Raytheon only when they said we would get all the future deliveries instead of the company they've been trying to off load. Seems that blood is thicker than water. Raytheon would rather sell new aircraft to the 800lb gorilla than feed the used car lot they've been trying to find a buyer for. Things that make you go, hmmm.

 

[NJA Capt]

Why hasn't anyone talked about...We cancelled our orders with Cessna because Citation Shares

Dude, you fell for THAT rumour? Someone is pulling your chain. Don't believe me? Check the FAA registry and you'll see a whole line of shiny new Beechjets and Hawkers with LX and CW N-numbers. Right beside 8 or 9 with QS on the tail.

We did not cancel our orders because of a tantrum with CS/Cessna. If we were mad, don't you think we would have canceled the Sovereign order instead of the Horizon?

 

[LR45JI]

Our negotiations are wrapping up and the company is flexing.

Ummm, maybe you know something I don't but negotations are far from being "wrapped up" as far as I know.

 

[BrnJetFuel]

Dude, you fell for THAT rumour? Someone is pulling your chain. Don't believe me? Check the FAA registry and you'll see a whole line of shiny new Beechjets and Hawkers with LX and CW N-numbers. Right beside 8 or 9 with QS on the tail.

We did not cancel our orders because of a tantrum with CS/Cessna. If we were mad, don't you think we would have canceled the Sovereign order instead of the Horizon?

Hey Dude, heard it from the near the very top. Regarding the Sovereign, we don't have any on property yet do we? That was the key point. If CS doesn't back off on adding the Sovereign to their inventory, then the bad blood is that we won't be adding any period. You'll see all those PIC bids turn to dust.

 

[FracCapt]

On another note. Why hasn't anyone talked about how FLOPS won't be getting any further deliveries of the types of aircraft that NJA has ordered. IE. 400xp and perhaps the 800xp's?

I honestly have to wonder where you guys come up with some of this stuff. You must have a really pathetic life to sit around and think of this stuff. Go on thinking that, though...if it makes your world a better place, good for you. Have fun in la la land.

 

[yosemite]

Hey Dude, heard it from the near the very top. Regarding the Sovereign, we don't have any on property yet do we? That was the key point. If CS doesn't back off on adding the Sovereign to their inventory, then the bad blood is that we won't be adding any period. You'll see all those PIC bids turn to dust.

I'll do ya one better... My "stick-in-the-eye" flying partner flew BB to SHV last Friday night. He asked him about the 680 rumor. He said the man's response was, basically "if they sell that aircraft to our competition, there WILL be a penalty to be paid."

Oh, reference the comments about the number of jets, pilots, and size... On the evening of 6/9/04 I participated in a demo at MIA Signature for NJA, EJM, and Marquis Jets. They had the VP's of all respective areas there and whole sales teams making a big push... and lots of free Chivas that I couldn't get near... but I digress. At one point I was asked by Randy Brandoff, VP Marketing, Marquis Jets, to come on our jet and explain some stuff to the propective customer. In the discussion the numbers came up. He butted in to say that because it was in his arena, he could quote the current numbers for ALL companies under the NetJets/Executive Jet logo...

2800 + pilots
600 + jets
"4th largest airline"

These are the current number the sales folks are touting.

 

[Joe Jet Pilot]

WTF Are You Smokin?

On another note. Why hasn't anyone talked about how FLOPS won't be getting any further deliveries of the types of aircraft that NJA has ordered. IE. 400xp and perhaps the 800xp's

Dude I just picked up the latest aircraft fresh off the line and flew it to paint. NJA orders are nothing but a pipe dream!

 

[Mephisto]

sure

Yeah they are a pipe dream. That must be why we fly around in our invisible jets like wonder woman.

 

[NJA Capt]

The entry level cessnas were just too expensive. Something like 8.5mil for a encore.. and 6 for a 400xp. He said they were virtually the same plane as far as the pax are concerned.

The Encore is not the one cancelled to order the Beechjet. We cancelled the CJ3 when we ordered the Beechjet.

The price argument doesn't add up either. The 400xp is $6.7 million vs. the CJ3's $5.8 Million (without discounting of course). Again, if NJ is mad at CS, why didn't we cancel the Sovereign, which is supposedly the source of the bad blood?

I think most of the management types (and a lot of pilots) don't know the difference between the Sovereign and the Excel/Encore. I once heard someone say their company loved the Sovereign they bought last year. At the time, the aircraft was still in certification.

 

[DO-82 driver]

I'm forced to ask my self what other fractional flies 400's and 800's? Didn't we just place an order for more of these aircraft. KInd of makes me wonder if there is any truth to the rumor of a consolidation in the frac industry with NJ doing the aquiring. I know this one will opena can of worms......

 

[FracCapt]

I'm forced to ask my self what other fractional flies 400's and 800's? Didn't we just place an order for more of these aircraft. KInd of makes me wonder if there is any truth to the rumor of a consolidation in the frac industry with NJ doing the aquiring. I know this one will opena can of worms......

Did you think of that all by yourself? I'm impressed. Especially since that same rumor re-surfaces every couple months, and has been for years. It's ok, just go back to sleep...