NetJets, Marquis Jet, Executive Jet Management?

[BengalsFan]

NJA folks

I always hear Marquis Jet, Executive jet Management and NJI used in the same sentence with you all. I understand that NJI hires seperatly, without a union, etc. But who is Marquis Jet and Executive Jet Management?

Also, I am military (3 1/2 years left on commitment). I want to do corportate or frac flying when I get out. So, out of the above listed companies, which one is the best...

Thanks for helping an outsider understand.

 

[x402]

Marquis, is a re-seller of NJA aircraft time. They do not hire pilots.
EJM, manages aircraft and does hire pilots for specific tails, if the a/c comes off the certificate the job goes away.

EJM does fly NJA flights as vendor a/c, when NJA needs additional capacity.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Marquis, is a re-seller of NJA aircraft time. They do not hire pilots.
EJM, manages aircraft and does hire pilots for specific tails, if the a/c comes off the certificate the job goes away.

EJM does fly NJA flights as vendor a/c, when NJA needs additional capacity.

x402,

In many cases, the aircraft EJM manages already had pilots when the owners signed on. The owners simply wanted an easy way to pay the pilots, mechanic, F/A, taxes, etc. and also to take advantage of the group purchasing power EJM offers. Some owners also want to defray ownership fixed costs and taxes by offering their aircraft for charter through EJM but not all do. Just because the owner decides to leave EJM in favor of another management company or independent operation doesn't necessarily mean the job goes away. Sometimes the owner hires the pilot directly, sometimes the owner asks EJM to recruit the pilot for them.

Each aircraft (there are more than a 100 now) has a different deal which is one reason why EJM pilots could never be part of Teamsters 1108. "Ah yes, Mr. Jones. EJM is now a union shop so you'll have no choice on who your pilots are, when they'll work or for how much." "But Nick and Joe have flown for me for 15 years and I pay them more than industry average!" "We're sorry, Mr. Jones. It's up to union seniority and pay scale now." "Okay, do have the number for TAG?"

 

[x402]

Certainly a much more thorough answer and I'm sure Bengalfan will apprecieate it. I on the other hand am just waiting for the 1st, and the other shoe.

x

 

[BengalsFan]

Thanks guys...

 

[Jafo73]

NJA/NJI would probably be more stable with more defined work rules (days on/off, etc). The other thing is NJI requires 5000 total time and prefers Gulfstream time

 

[gutshotdraw]

Certainly a much more thorough answer and I'm sure Bengalfan will apprecieate it. I on the other hand am just waiting for the 1st, and the other shoe.

x

So am I. It's been falling for almost two years now but I don't expect to hear it hit the floor for about another two......

 

[netjetwife]

BF, my husband is retired AF and is happy with his choice to fly for NJA.

I enforce a shoe rule at my house: On your feet or in the closet. Anything else just gets in the way. Closets are big enough for multiple pairs of shoes and stalling isn't allowed. That's also my opinion on the symbolic "shoe"....

IBB is cleaning up the messy aspects of the 2005 CBA. A perfect time to rearrange the closet I think...

 

[gutshotdraw]

BF, my husband is retired AF and is happy with his choice to fly for NJA.

I enforce a shoe rule at my house: On your feet or in the closet. Anything else just gets in the way. Closets are big enough for multiple pairs of shoes and stalling isn't allowed. That's also my opinion on the symbolic "shoe"....

IBB is cleaning up the messy aspects of the 2005 CBA. A perfect time to rearrange the closet I think...

Sorry NJW, that shoe was too big to fit in the IBB closet. Still in mid-air and will be this time next year. The kids will still be fighting over the shoe for quite a while after that until "Daddy" (or "Uncle" if you prefer) says who gets to wear it.

 

[Ultra Grump]

IBB is cleaning up the messy aspects of the 2005 CBA.

Are you sure about that? The word is that the new CBA will be over 30 pages MORE than the 2005 CBA. Sounds a little more cluttered to me. The PTO system, with long-term and short-term banks, how many in each and when they can be used, number of PTO days/yr based on longevity, etc, is just one example of unnecessary complication.

 

[netjetwife]

Ambiguity doesn't take as many words as specific language does. Considering how important it is to "read the fine print" before signing a contract, I submit that when one is writing their own contract s/he should be doubly careful about using precise language to get exactly what was intended. Arbitration is costly so a well written contract benefits all who use it. It sounds like a good lesson was learned from the experience of the BBWG. Additional pages are also generated when new ground is covered, as in your PTO example. I predict that some new changes will be welcomed by the pilot group.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Additional pages are also generated when new ground is covered, as in your PTO example. I predict that some new changes will be welcomed by the pilot group.

The problem is, nobody in this company (union or management) knows how to keep it simple. For example, PTO. Why do we need short-term and long-term banks, and all the language that goes along with that? Why do we need longevity-based PTO usage, and all the language to explain it? Why do we need complicated sell-back provisions, and all the extra language to explain it?

Rather than simply complain, here's my solution: Accrue 1 day per month, 75 days maximum banked (same as now). 8 days per year can be used as PTO. Days banked over 24 can be sold back to the company at XXX%. X # of days around Thanksgiving, Xmas, and New Years are blacked out from PTO. X number of slots per day (based on fleet size) available for bid on crewops for PTO. Remainder available for pick-up with 7 days notice, 1st come, 1st served. Sick call provisions remain the same. Simple, to the point, and doesn't take XX pages to explain.

 

[netjetwife]

The pilot group is made up of many different demographic subgroups with varying needs. The one size fits all approach is easier to write I'm sure but it doesn't allow for a wide variety of scenarios that come up in a Union this size. Personally, I've always found it frustrating to make a logical request and hear something along the lines "Well yes, that makes sense but it's not in our policy to do that". I like options so I give high marks to those at the table for trying to anticipate the needs of the pilots and their families.

You will notice that I'm sticking to a discussion of the concept of PTO. That was as far as we got at our kitchen table. My husband has been preoccupied with other IBB sections. I look forward to reading the final TA. I equate details with spelled out protections and benefits so the length won't bother me. From my posting style that comes as no surprise, right? In all seriousness, your careers are complex and should be treated accordingly. Additionally, the more precisely written your contract is the easier it will be to enforce.