NetJets Europe to hire 100 Pilots

[gunfyter]

An additional 100 Pilots will bring NetJets Europe's total to 600 Pilots.

 

[VVJM265]

Too bad you need a JAA and right to live & abode...

NetJets Transportes Aéreos minimum requirements for flight deck crew are:
• full (unrestricted) European passport (with legal right to work in the EU)
• full (unfrozen) European ATPL
• 1,500 hours total time
• 500 hours multi-engine time.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Another sad thing about the NJE hiring.......the 400XP are headed to Europe. Can't cut the mustard here in the States. Big meeting between Raytheon and NetJets concerning the very poor performance of the 400XP. BB already admitted that a/c was a mistake on our part. You can have them Europe.....

 

[ultrarunner]

What's the 400XP not doing that it was touted? $hit, the Beechjet has been around for eons...can't imagine the 400XP doll-up job did much for it???? What's the deal?

 

[Guitar Guy]

What's the 400XP not doing that it was touted?

Be the Ultra replacement, in short. It has trouble doing NY to south FL at times. It's got almost no baggage space. NJA didn't get single-point refueling. The 400XP's performance on wet/contaminated runways is awful. On dry pavement, it can't utilize as short of runways as the Ultra. And according to some of the maintenance guys in CMH, the 400XP is a maintenance headache.

Sounds like the bigwigs are starting to have buyers' remorse over the Hawker-that-isn't.

 

[been-there]

And according to some of the maintenance guys in CMH, the 400XP is a maintenance headache.

From one mechanic I talked to, it is a nightmare. To service the nose gear strut you have to jack the airplane and remove (YES REMOVE) the entire nose gear.

 

[RNObased]

What's the 400XP not doing that it was touted? $hit, the Beechjet has been around for eons...can't imagine the 400XP doll-up job did much for it???? What's the deal?

The beechjunk has been around for a long time as a corportate jet... As a fractional aircraft I can't think of a worse plane....

Poor performance/range with more then two people on board..... Heats come on forget about going anywhere.... No luggage, fractional owners like to carry enough luggage to invade a small country if the need arise... Runway has snow on it, you aren't going.... God, I could go on forever, this is TOO easy....

In Europe it could work.... Shorter legs....

Piss poor plane..... Well one thing is good the Collins avionics...
And I know what I'm talking about, been flying the thing for NJA since the beginning of this mis-guided program....

 

[ultrarunner]

So what's the deal then...NJA owners get some killer deal on them??? Now, we all know the sales pitches will tout that a 1000nm airplane will go 2000nm, but I would hope you're run-of-the-mill NJA owner is a bit smarter than to listen to that line of bull$hit.

 

[On Your Six]

The beechjunk has been around for a long time as a corportate jet... As a fractional aircraft I can't think of a worse plane....

Poor performance/range with more then two people on board..... Heats come on forget about going anywhere.... No luggage, fractional owners like to carry enough luggage to invade a small country if the need arise... Runway has snow on it, you aren't going.... God, I could go on forever, this is TOO easy....

In Europe it could work.... Shorter legs....

Piss poor plane..... Well one thing is good the Collins avionics...
And I know what I'm talking about, been flying the thing for NJA since the beginning of this mis-guided program....

So, if all of the Beechjets go to Europe, what is the likely replacement aircraft? Would the Beechjets go sooner than later - in a phased approach? When would this phase-out start?

I recall that Santulli had a fit that CS would be getting the CJ3s and cancelled all of the NJA orders - obviously that would be a great replacement aircraft if Santulli could swallow his pride and do what's right...

Could NJA even order the CJ3 with its current order backlog?

 

[gunfyter]

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[ultrarunner]

Could NJA even order the CJ3 with its current order backlog?

You can always slap down an order, right? When you get them is the issue.

But does NJA even place orders on spec? I would think NJ has sold the shares before the order gets placed.

 

[gunfyter]

I would think NJ has sold the shares before the order gets placed.

I don't care where you're from... that's funny!

 

[FLYLOW22]

It is rumored that the Embraer Phemom 300 would be the replacement for the Ultra. Maybe the Phenom 100 would be a good replacement for the 400XP.

I agree that the 400XP is not "all that" or "a bag of chips".

 

[Diesel]

i doubt the climb performance would be any better in europe. You still have the 3.3 gradiant problem with anti-ice on.

Plus they have mountains over there that make our mountains look like speed bumps.

 

[FLYLOW22]

i doubt the climb performance would be any better in europe. You still have the 3.3 gradiant problem with anti-ice on.

Plus they have mountains over there that make our mountains look like speed bumps.

But at least WE don't have to fly em.

 

[RNObased]

i doubt the climb performance would be any better in europe. You still have the 3.3 gradiant problem with anti-ice on.

Plus they have mountains over there that make our mountains look like speed bumps.

Diesel,

The story is the legs are shorter over there so you can get the weight down enough to make the gradients..... You don't have to come out of ASE and go for 2+ hrs to get anywhere..... Shorter legs...

BTW the Alps and such are big, but they don't put a lot of our mountains to shame....

 

[Guitar rocker]

Diesel,

The story is the legs are shorter over there so you can get the weight down enough to make the gradients..... You don't have to come out of ASE and go for 2+ hrs to get anywhere..... Shorter legs...

BTW the Alps and such are big, but they don't put a lot of our mountains to shame....

Yah, but that 400XP is kinda limited in where it can go in Europe seeing that there arent too many airports that carry prist over there. The prist thing has been a huge issue for NJE.

 

[Diesel]

Okay lets take Geneva-Milan or even Geneva-London I don't have my planning program on this computer but it would be just under 2 hours for the beech jet. Maybe even an even 2. Geneva is effectively the central of europe in terms of money and power. Want a GV or Global go to geneva.

Anyways the departure out of Geneva (once again no planning on this comp) has you fly down the valey cross an altitude and then turn to clear the mountains.

I doubt the the Beechjet could make it. Only saving grace is that it's got a realllllllllly long runway.

 

[pascualito]

So, if all of the Beechjets go to Europe, what is the likely replacement aircraft? Would the Beechjets go sooner than later - in a phased approach? When would this phase-out start?

I recall that Santulli had a fit that CS would be getting the CJ3s and cancelled all of the NJA orders - obviously that would be a great replacement aircraft if Santulli could swallow his pride and do what's right...

Could NJA even order the CJ3 with its current order backlog?

Hello,

Out of curiosity, what would you think of the following aircraft:

www.grobspn.com

Looking forward to your comments!

Have fun!

 

[On Your Six]

Hello,

Out of curiosity, what would you think of the following aircraft:

www.grobspn.com

Looking forward to your comments!

Have fun!

Looks like a nice aircraft. How many have been ordered thusfar? Any ordered by US customers? I never completely believe the marketing/online materials - you need to take them with a "grain of salt."

Questions to consider - how fast could they ramp up production of this aircraft? What kind of support could they provide on an ongoing basis? What is their history of supporting customers for other products? Reputation of the manufacturer would be very important - as would discount pricing for volume orders...