NetJets best job in biz?

[satpak77]

Is this for real? Especially in light of all the pay cuts at Delta, UAL, and AA (the former places "to be" in airline employmnt)

http://www.airlinepilotpay.com/netjets/netjets.htm

according to this a 18 year BBJ captain earns $252,480 a year

a Year 1 BBJ captain earns $135,000 a year

401(k) match of 7.5%, which is slightly higher than SWA (altho no profit sharing) and more than double JetBlues

I realize that nobody goes direct to BBJ, but a look at the current "big picture" regarding professional pilot jobs, and NetJets looks like a possible retire-from-here career place

 

[350DRIVER]

I am sure the current NetJets group that frequent this would would be more than happy to give you a little insight into the problems that the current pilot group face present day. A TA was recently shot down by close to 83% of the current pilot group if my memory serves me correct. I have a friend on the X and he paints a completely different picture of life over there for new hires. I think somewhere in the $20's is what one can expect as a new hire.

Do a board search, much has been said (or fired) out recently about what is currently taking place.

Ask NetJetwife who posts!!.

I wish the entire group over there well, great group of folks who deserve much more than what they were recently offered.

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[satpak77]

roger that

ok sounds good, yeah obviously there is more to the picture than just pay, I actually wonder if that pilotpay site is accurate (who knows)

if true, what a 180 this industry has made, when the frax jobs are better pay than the majors



later (and good night, you are up late 350DRIVER)

 

[groundpointsix]

While the BBJ guys make a comfortable living there, you would be waiting quite a long time to make it into the right seat of one. There are only about 30-40 pilots flying the BBJ (out of approximately 2000), and all of those have a seniority number better than 100. Remember, there's no age 60 rule there.

 

[psysicx]

It seems that the Gulfstream side is not bad.

 

[TransMach]

Nutjets

Lets see, 100 guys out of 2000, half of which are captains, so thats 50 guys making 135,000 a year, or a little more. Not a big deal at all.

Anyone can publish pay scales that go out to where none of their employees longevity would put them because it makes no matter. No one is there. No one is going to be there because it will all change before that happens. It's what is called "Marketing".

The legacy carriers rarely published (yes past tence) pay scales beyond 10 or 12 years because no one can forecast what is really going to happen that far into the future. Not management, not the union. Again, what matters is "Market". Current and future "market".

I just left a job where I was for more than 10 years for another job with better equipment, better environment better schedules and I'm getting about the same money. Acutally, a bit more. And yes, it's better than a 5 year BBJ captain at Nutjets. My skills and qualifications are the same as they were with I got my current/last job many years ago. It's the market that changed.

Don't let the "Marketing" hype fool you. Where the market is today, and where it really is tomorrow is what counts.

TransMach

PS -- My nick name "Nutjets" is because it's nutty for a skilled professional to go to work more than for $27K a year with little reasonable hope of significant improvement.

 

[Diesel]

Are you fing kidding me?

Also psycix I think i saw you blowing a g whiz pilot in the parking lot the other day.

 

[paulsalem]

Currenty there are 29 BBJ Pilots.

I still think its a good gig though. Flying new aircraft. Lots of ferry's with no PAX. Get paid per diem, and they give you crew food on top of that. Awesome benifits. Pay's not the best starting out. But I wouldn't complain.

I don't know what NJLA (bbj part of NJ) will do when they get 121 certified. That would be a scheduling nightmare as far as the 60 year old rule goes.

 

[Diesel]

It's funny how when you have low time anything looks like a pretty good gig.

I'll try and help you out a little.

New aircraft- They've got 10,000hrs on them at least in my fleet.

Lots of ferrys with no pax- It's not like you can do loops or anything. Really not that different than with pax except the plane isn't trashed on landing

Crew food- This is a funny one. They know they have to give us crew food or this wheels would come off this place. You've got 5 legs and now the crew is going to applebees for lunch. See you in 2hrs.

Awsome Benefits- They are good not awsome.

Pay's not the best starting out- Your not kidding about that

I wouldn't complain- You would if you started out 26k a year

 

[paulsalem]

I'm just saying I'd take the job in a heart beat.

What fleet are you in? Are you a fo, pic Asst CP? or what?

 

[potrack]

Satpak77.....It was nice to show the sirline pilot pay web site pay rates.

Don't forget to look at the F/Os that make 2,000 something.

 

[realityman]

Transmach, why do you say there's little hope for improvement? Actually, for the first time since I went to work at NJA (8 years!) there appears to be significant hope that it's going to be a great place to work with very good financial compensation. Yes, it's going to be a hard fight. And it won't happen overnight. But there's definitely more than a little hope!

Anyway, for more on the scoop about NJA's fight you can always check out the threads under the Fractionals heading.

As for compensation on the BBJ's, well, let's just say that my seniority number is 172 and I basically will NEVER see the flightdeck of the BBJ (as a captain anyway). That fleet is pretty much a white elephant for NJA. Better to look at the pay scales excluding the BBJ's.

 

[TransMach]

NutJets

Realityman,

This is exactly what I meant ... you answered the question in perfection ...

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As for compensation on the BBJ's, well, let's just say that my seniority number is 172 and I basically will NEVER see the flightdeck of the BBJ (as a captain anyway).

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Yes, you Nutjets guys will, most probably, get an increase in earnings. You more than deserve it! But deserving it doesn't make it happen. Market makes it happen and that was the bottom line of my post.

Good luck to you, and yours, in the TA struggle. Also, Happy Holidays to you, yours. Thanks for, in my view, making my argument here completely viable.

TransMach

 

[furlough-boy]

Realityman,

But deserving it doesn't make it happen. Market makes it happen and that was the bottom line of my post.


TransMach

Why do you think this is correct? Netjets will get a raise when their union is able to negotiate it. If the market (as you claim) decides their payrates they'd at least be making the NBAA average for their respective aircraft type. They're not.

I hope they get it.

 

[psysicx]

I was just stating what people have said.There is no need to get angry because you are upset.

 

[Diesel]

I'm not upset. Of course i wasn't the one blowing a guy in the fbo bathroom.