NetJets and personal travel

[FLYLOW22]

Sometimes it is.



Oh, I completely agree with that. I'm talking about the captain who, on day 1, before the plane's even unlocked, says, "I'll be flying all the passenger legs," having no idea of the other guy's experience level or skill.



I didn't say anything about the PTS.



Yes, it is. And if he's ham-fisted and rough on the controls, then no, he shouldn't be flying our owner legs yet.

But to just make a baseless assumption that the guy next to you isn't up to the task, simply because he got here a couple of years later, is insulting.

Agreed on all points dude.

PTS is the mantra of airline training departments. If he/she meets PTS then he/she is safe to fly. True... but our Owners pay for polish and our culture here reflects that in certain ways.

Polish on the controls takes a while to get down. And as we all know, flying is probably 1/10th of what we deal with as pilots here at NJA. If I sense that the other aspects of the job are fodding out an F/Os ability to function and they are "mentally caught up in it" even before the engines start, why would I say "Ok, your leg" on an LGA departure. For those of you following along, the F/O would be taxiing too if it's their leg.

The Owners expect a high level of knowledge and proficiency. There is plenty to be learned on empty legs... and plenty of future flying opportunities with pax once experience and proficiency is gained.

Also, about the Captain who said, "I get the live ones"... it's hard to tell what type of day he was having. There are times where it's easier to deal with the smirk of an F/O in response to that choice as PIC than to fill out the paperwork required to respond to the CP, FMs OS and every other yahoo that gets involved when a flight doesn't go as well as expected.

There are many factors involved, more than mentioned here but in the end what is important?

Owner satisfaction and perception.

Remember team work and polish. The pay is the same and ferry legs are more fun anyway.

 

[CA1900]

Polish on the controls takes a while to get down.

Definitely. The last guy I flew with who insisted on doing all the flying has apparently still working on it. He said he wanted to practice hand-flying for the sim he had two weeks later... I talked him out of it after whitecaps started appearing in my coffee.

There are many factors involved, more than mentioned here but in the end what is important?

Personally brewing the coffee myself, with the good stuff I bring with me, so I know it'll be good. Nothing is more important! :laugh: I get a kick out of hearing, "You're changing out the coffee again?"


Sounds like we're on the same page; it's hard to pick up on a message board sometimes...

 

[imacdog]

There are plenty of weak Captains at NJA. That's all I'll say.

 

[fly4ever]

Four stripes on the shoulders and jacket doesn't mean a person is any less ham-fisted. We have all kinds just like the airlines do.

 

[jtf]

MooneyMite- you should definitely be getting more HH points working here. Do you ever check and make sure all your stays are counted? I've flown with guys who have had months worth of stays go into other peoples accounts before they figured it out and got things cleared up. Another thing you might be missing out on is the bonus points instead of internet or snacks or breakfast that is usually part of the NetJets rate anyway- that's 1000 points per nights at most of the Hilton properties. If you are who I think you are, I was in basic indoc with you and I've gotten over 650000 HH points while using the company card the whole time.

 

[Mooneymite]

MooneyMite- you should definitely be getting more HH points working here. Do you ever check and make sure all your stays are counted? I've flown with guys who have had months worth of stays go into other peoples accounts before they figured it out and got things cleared up. Another thing you might be missing out on is the bonus points instead of internet or snacks or breakfast that is usually part of the NetJets rate anyway- that's 1000 points per nights at most of the Hilton properties. If you are who I think you are, I was in basic indoc with you and I've gotten over 650000 HH points while using the company card the whole time.

You could be (probably are?) right on all counts. I'm not a "point hound" because I don't care...

Last thing I want to do is get a free hotel room on my off time and I non-rev when I do travel.

Maybe I need to pay more attention.

 

[fischman]

I talked him out of it after whitecaps started appearing in my coffee.

That's funny. I don't care where you come from. That's funny.

 

[av8tor4239]

Oh, I completely agree with that. I'm talking about the captain who, on day 1, before the plane's even unlocked, says, "I'll be flying all the passenger legs," having no idea of the other guy's experience level or skill.

You ever ask the captain why they feel obligated to fly all the pax legs.. I have not had this happened yet, but I would politely ask why? I am very curious what the answer would be?

 

[av8tor4239]

Just finished indoc. They gave us instant Diamond status right off the bat just for being NJ pilots. I work out of ATL. One of the veterans here told me I would probably make Platinum Medallion by Christmas.

welcome, I am ATL based too! I dont think platnuim is that easy to get.. I have been on the line for about 7 months now and I only have 20,000 medalian miles. Remember a medalian mile can only be earned by flying or some very rare promo's. Every one of my airlines has been DL except for 3.. two AT and one US Air.

To earn platinum you must fly 75,000 miles in one year.. that is an insane amount of flying .. Being ATL based and on delta all the time I am averaging about 40,000/ year.

 

[Crack-Ed]

Sorry- couldn't resist. Maybe I'm off, but for the most part, don't airlines always have pax?

 

[av8tor4239]

There are plenty of weak Captains at NJA. That's all I'll say.

Kind of like the captain that keeps the extra Atlantic Buck.....

 

[Helmsalee]

Oh well, easy come, easy go. I'll take whatever status I can get. As a retired Delta pilot, I'm glad to have full fare tickets.

 

[Paris]

How badly can you screw up flying with the auto-pilot on? NJ have some restrictions on not using it with PAX?

 

[felixpuppy]

I know there is another thread on this subject but I have to ask. What the heck is an "Atlantic Buck"?

 

[jtf]

An Atlantic Buck is a beautiful thing to a pilot. It is a voucher good for $5 that you can put onto your Atlantic Rewards American Express gift card. For every 100 gallons you buy you get one card and if you say the magic words, "Top it off.", you get double rewards. Atlantics rape the customer on price, but kick back about 1 percent to the pilots through the Atlantic bucks.