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NetJets and FlightSafety report profits for 2004
by Chad Trautvetter


In his annual letter to shareholders published early last month, investment mogul Warren Buffett said earnings improved last year at Berkshire Hathaway’s flight services division, which includes FlightSafety International (FSI) and NetJets. Last year the unit saw its pre-tax profits rise to $191 million on revenues of $3.24 billion, up substantially from the previous year’s $72 million profit on revenues of $2.43 billion.

The letter attributed more than 90 percent of the $810 million year-over-year revenue increase at Berkshire’s flight service division to NetJets. The fractional provider’s flight operations revenue rose by nearly $400 million and revenues from aircraft sales jumped about $360 million. According to Berkshire Hathaway’s annual report, the increase in flight operations revenue was due primarily to higher usage, a larger percentage of hours being on larger aircraft and a slight rate increase. Fractional aircraft share sales climbed due to an approximately 10-percent increase in aircraft sold and a higher percentage of sales being more expensive large-cabin business jets.

Noted Buffett, “Last year NetJets again gained about 70 percent of the net new business (measured by dollar value) going to the four companies [NetJets, Flight Options, Flexjet and CitationShares] that dominate the [fractional aircraft] industry.” Buffett attributed a portion of NetJets’ growth to the 25-hour card offered by Marquis Jet Partners, an independent company that buys shares in NetJets aircraft and resells them in blocks of time.

It appears the fractional provider made an overall, if slim, profit last year: “NetJets earned a modest amount in the U.S. last year. But what we earned domestically was largely offset by losses in Europe.” It’s possible that the investment mogul tempered his statement on NetJets’ profitability given that the company’s management and 2,100 pilots are still in contract negotiations, with pay being one of the main sticking points (AIN, February 2005, page 10).

NetJets’ U.S. contracts, including Marquis customers, grew from 3,877 to 4,967 last year. This compares with approximately 1,200 contracts when Berkshire Hathaway bought NetJets in 1998.

In Europe, contracts increased from 364 to 693. Last year, U.S. owners made 2,003 flights in Europe, up 22 percent from the previous year. NetJets Europe owners made 1,067 flights in the U.S., up 65 percent from 2003.
 
It’s possible that the investment mogul tempered his statement on NetJets’ profitability given that the company’s management and 2,100 pilots are still in contract negotiations, with pay being one of the main sticking points (AIN, February 2005, page 10).




It's possible? How bout it's highly PROBABLE!
 
Sun Tzu said:
NetJets and FlightSafety report profits for 2004
by Chad Trautvetter


In his annual letter to shareholders published early last month, investment mogul Warren Buffett said earnings improved last year at Berkshire Hathaway’s flight services division, which includes FlightSafety International (FSI) and NetJets. Last year the unit saw its pre-tax profits rise to $191 million on revenues of $3.24 billion, up substantially from the previous year’s $72 million profit on revenues of $2.43 billion.

The letter attributed more than 90 percent of the $810 million year-over-year revenue increase at Berkshire’s flight service division to NetJets. The fractional provider’s flight operations revenue rose by nearly $400 million and revenues from aircraft sales jumped about $360 million. According to Berkshire Hathaway’s annual report, the increase in flight operations revenue was due primarily to higher usage, a larger percentage of hours being on larger aircraft and a slight rate increase. Fractional aircraft share sales climbed due to an approximately 10-percent increase in aircraft sold and a higher percentage of sales being more expensive large-cabin business jets.

Noted Buffett, “Last year NetJets again gained about 70 percent of the net new business (measured by dollar value) going to the four companies [NetJets, Flight Options, Flexjet and CitationShares] that dominate the [fractional aircraft] industry.” Buffett attributed a portion of NetJets’ growth to the 25-hour card offered by Marquis Jet Partners, an independent company that buys shares in NetJets aircraft and resells them in blocks of time.

It appears the fractional provider made an overall, if slim, profit last year: “NetJets earned a modest amount in the U.S. last year. But what we earned domestically was largely offset by losses in Europe.” It’s possible that the investment mogul tempered his statement on NetJets’ profitability given that the company’s management and 2,100 pilots are still in contract negotiations, with pay being one of the main sticking points (AIN, February 2005, page 10).

NetJets’ U.S. contracts, including Marquis customers, grew from 3,877 to 4,967 last year. This compares with approximately 1,200 contracts when Berkshire Hathaway bought NetJets in 1998.

In Europe, contracts increased from 364 to 693. Last year, U.S. owners made 2,003 flights in Europe, up 22 percent from the previous year. NetJets Europe owners made 1,067 flights in the U.S., up 65 percent from 2003.

This horse was flogged to death two weeks ago in the following thread:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=632007#post632007

Bottom line is that no one responded to the following post concerning BRK Flight Services Revenue and profit since 1998:

FamilyGuy said:
Here's the Flight Services REVENUE, PROFIT, and Profit as a Percentage of Revenues from 1998-2004, all from the BRK annual reports (in Millions):

.................1998.....1999.....2000.....2001.. ...2002.....2003.....2004
Revenue.......858.....1,856....2,279....2,563....2 ,837....2,431....3,244
Profit...........181........225......213.......186 ......225.........72......191
Profit %........21%......12%......9%........7%.......8%.. ......3%......6%

As you should be able to see, your claims of 33% increase in revenue and 62% increase in profits looks a lot different when you look at the "whole story". The $191M in 2004 doesnt even get back to the profit numbers from 1999, 2000, or 2002, and we know all of those profits were due to Flight Safety, not NetJets.

NetJets brought a lot of sales and revenues to the table when we joined Berkshire but we havent brought the profits.

And as for your claim that most of those profits are because of NetJets, lets just address that BS now....

From page 15 of the 2004 BRK annual report:
Earnings improved in flight services. At FlightSafety, the world’s leader in pilot training, profits rose as corporate aviation rebounded and our business with regional airlines increased.
FamilyGuy said:
NetJets earned a modest amount in the U.S. last year. But what we earned domestically was largely offset by losses in Europe.

Once you know that, its simple math...Flight Safety earned $150M in 'normal' operations in 2003 (see previous post) and $113M once 'abnormal' effects were accounted for. That means that Flight Safety earned more than $113M of the $191M in 2004 Flight Services profits...again, far more than NetJets brought to the table. .
 
Hey FamilyGuy,

Where do you think most of FSI's profits come from??? HMmmmm, let me guess... NETJETS!!! We're all owned by BH. It's money flowing from one pocket to the other. Where would those profits be without NJA? What kind of training deal does NJA get with FSI?? You think that we'd get a volume deal.. Nope. nuttin honey!!
And who do you think has been financially supporting and growing NJE all these years.. hmmm... NJA!!! They've been growing off of our backs. The company has even admitted to this numerous times. They have stated that NJE will make a profit THIS YEAR... now what? I know, let's build NetJets China off of our backs...

Your drivel sounds surprisingly familiar to the propoganda that NJA management, through their "labor consultants" is puking out. You wouldn't happen to be drawing a seperate paycheck from those consultants, would you?
 
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hydrarkt said:
Hey FamilyGuy,

Where do you think most of FSI's profits come from??? HMmmmm, let me guess... NETJETS!!! We're all owned by BH. It's money flowing from one pocket to the other. Where would those profits be without NJA? What kind of training deal does NJA get with FSI?? You think that we'd get a volume deal.. Nope. nuttin honey!!
And who do you think has been financially supporting and growing NJE all these years.. hmmm... NJA!!! They've been growing off of our backs. The company has even admitted to this numerous times. They have stated that NJE will make a profit THIS YEAR... now what? I know, let's build NetJets China off of our backs...

Your drivel sounds surprisingly familiar to the propoganda that NJA management, through their "labor consultants" is puking out. You wouldn't happen to be drawing a seperate paycheck from those consultants, would you?

I suggest you go back and look at the 1998 numbers again. That year was purely FSI. NJ didnt get added until 1999 numbers. FSI was making a lot more money before NetJets was bought by BRK.

NJE hasn't been growing off of your backs. Have you given concessions to support NJE? Has there been some ESOP that I missed recently? All of the pilots (and flight center employees) have been paid the wages they agreed to work for when they hired on with the company. No one has been shorted wages.

NJA pilots have a rational argument that they get paid a fair wage that is based on the profitability of NJA. Everything that I have read from the company indicates that they are prepared to do just that. I think the current proposal for 23%-40% raises is a good indicator that they are backing up their promises with action.

NJE growth has been funded by NetJets and Berkshire. It is the fundamental responsibility of the company to look for more ways to grow. I dont think any rational pilot would advocate a no-growth strategy for their company.
 
How much do you get paid to post messages FamilyGuy?



Definition of tool:

creature: a person who is controlled by others and is used to perform unpleasant or dishonest tasks for someone else
 
been-there said:
How much do you get paid to post messages FamilyGuy?



Definition of tool:

creature: a person who is controlled by others and is used to perform unpleasant or dishonest tasks for someone else

LOL....this is so hilarious and predictable....

every day on this board we are told that line pilots are infallible (yes, we now have to differentiate since NetJets President is also a pilot) and know how to do everything. They are more than happy to tell you how to do your job.

but, the minute someone posts FACTS on this board the union supporters, who evidently can't refute or even argue the facts, will respond in one of two ways:

1 - state that they dont care if the company is making money...they deserve X amount. If the company cant pay it then it shouldnt be in business

or

2 - revert back to their high school days and start calling people names as a way to divert attention from the discussion at hand.

If you guys are so freakin smart then all of the FACTS and arguments being posted by us lowly flight center employees should be easily dispelled by your vastly superior logic.

You should have no reason to resort to sophmoric insults if your arguments are sound and supported by fact....... but then maybe that's what the problem is....your position and demands aren't based in fact and reality.
 
23%-40% is a complete lie people. Family guy is making up these numbers! Why don't you show us all how someone is going to make a 40% raise on a proposal that isn't even TA'd yet. Come on I dare you!
 
And the reason you are responding to family guy is??.......

IGNORE HIM AND HE WILL GO AWAY.

Dont give them any more ammunition to play with.
 

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