NetJet contract results.... anyone?

[208starcheck]

When do the results of the contract vote come out?

Also anyone heard what the hiring situation is? I sent in a resume, got an app, sent it back and have heard nothing. A coworker also sent in a resume the same time I sent in my application but never even got an automated response? Anyone know what is going on? Good luck with the TA.

 

[gunfyter]

The answer is the TA failed. Back to the drawing board. Check back again in February.

 

[Frac Daddy]

The answer is the TA failed. Back to the drawing board. Check back again in February.

You guys voted already? What was the count?

 

[Publishers]

Onb another thread, they said the 29th of October for the count

 

[gunfyter]

The TA is history.

The current MEC is now running on the idea that only THEY can fix it in the follow on negotiations. MEC election results will occur on Nov 4.

Meanwhile over 60% of the pilot force has faxed in petitions to disaffiliate with Local 284...because of their dissatisfaction with the TA. (enough No votes right there to kill the TA).

A large portion of the pilot force made photocopies of their NO ballots and laminated them to affix as BagTags.

The union message board has been EVACUATED! Everyone has moved to a new message board hosted by StrongUnion.org.

The TA is history. So is the MEC and likely local 284 will follow.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Lots of change going on right now for NJA pilots.

 

[rajflyboy]

Vote for Contract is on October 29th!!

Looks like the new T/A will go down in Flames!

 

[flyingforfood]

When will they start calling for new jets? Interviews are still comming in, right?

 

[rajflyboy]

Netjets is presently getting airplanes and hiring pilots!

 

[Groucho]

Please Post results when possible.

Dear NJA pilots, I am on the outside looking in, but I interviewd in
Columbus and recieved an offer. I am putting the whole thing off for the time being.

Negotiations will get serious when the company sees a large no vote which is a good sampling of what might occur in a strike vote. I don't think a strike will happen but you are more in the drivers seat than any pilot group at any airline.

Flight Safety is not equipped to handle the numbers that would be required to continue operations during a stike. The differences in aircraft models and the geographic scope of the operation makes operations difficult at best.

I am former corporate and now airline and both types of flying have their plusses and minuses and corporate is not looking at the bottom line to the extent that airlines are. Owners want and pay for convience, Southwest custormers want the cheap fares!

The industry can support a more fair pilot pay scale and it does not have to effect operations that much from what I hear about some of the wasteful operations and support staff procedures. The comparison of NJA to any airline operation is not applicable.

If you feel that the TA is not a fair compensation package stick to your guns and you will get a better agreement.

Good luck, Groucho
"A man is only as old as the women he feels...."

 

[Hawkered]

Dewey Wins!

Gunfyter,

Your wishful thinking is not yet historical fact. The ballots still have to be counted.

Groucho,

If you don't come over now, you may as well forget it! Once you've been given the offer and you refuse...it's pretty much the silver bullet.

The Hawke

 

[Groucho]

Well the fact is I haven't refused, I am awaiting the results of other interviews and I stated this fact to Linda and she agreed that I could wait.. For how long who knows, obviously some answer is expected sometime soon.

 

[netjetwife]

Groucho, I believe that you're making a good decision. Had the current situation existed in Jan '03 when my husband had his interview, he would have postponed giving his answer, as well. By the end of the month--assuming there is no fraud-- you will be able to gauge the will of the pilotforce. That, I would think, will be a big help in the decision making process. Thanks for your support and reasoned perspective. Good Luck! NJW

 

[Hawkered]

Everyday you put off could cost you tens of thousands of dollars!

 

[netjetwife]

That must be sarcasm Hawkered, for it can't possibly be true that this gentleman isn't safe in postponing his decision until after the TA vote announcement. 10s of thousands?? Do explain that one, please. My husband made a whopping 28K last year and the FO pay, as proposed in the FIRST offer, is only $33,500 a year!

Why would someone w/Groucho's skills want to come to NJA if the TA were to pass (with no evidence of fraud)? The company knows pilots gather information from many sources; I doubt they have any expectation of hearing from anyone with the vote this close.

If ever there was a time and place to look before you leap, it is NOW, at NetJets. The current contract obligates pilots to a TWO YEAR contract for training. To make a rash decision without all the facts (TA vote is critical info) when he could easily wait ONE WEEK, is ludicrous.

 

[gunfyter]

I believe you will not make PIC pay for at least 3 years. That would total about $100K over the 3 years.

I understand CitationShares is still upgrading people in the first year. That would be about $200K over 3 yrs there.

$100K vs $200K

 

[Publishers]

In the end, is not a good deal of this about upgrade times. Citation shares is probably growing the most of any fractional share program except the Avanti one. Of course, you are also talking much smaller fleet size so the percentages would be misleading.

In a strange sort of way, this situation is parallel to what happened at American Eagle. They ended up with a less than great contract, but, the bigger problem was that upgrades went to non-existant while the other regionals were growing and upgrading.

 

[gunfyter]

Even if you are hired as a Street Captain... collecting PIC pay from day one ...

CS =$200K total after 3 yrs.

Compared to $125K total after 3 yrs.

You are $75K better off at CS. But the fact is it probably will take more than 3 yrs to upgrade now so you are looking at the $100K difference.

"What's In your Wallet?" -- Capitol One

 

[gunfyter]

Its Deja Vu all over again... I think I hear the fat Lady singing.

Gunfyter,

Your wishful thinking is not yet historical fact. The ballots still have to be counted.

The Hawke

 

[Hawkered]

Gunfyter...I'm actually glad that you were right on this one. I got duped!

 

[netjetwife]

Anyone seeing the error of their vote, can now give their support to SU and join the 82% of the pilotforce that is fighting for a good contract for everyone. When you read their posts and talk to them, you'll find that the SU leaders are very interested in helping the group pull together, mend rifts, and move forward to a better future.

 

[b727captain]

Welcome to the Revolution !!!​

 

[FLYLOW22]

Indeed.

 

[gutshotdraw]

New. League. Record.

Just shy of eleven years.

Holy thread resurrection, Batman!

 

[FLYLOW22]

Oh myyyyyy!!!

 

[Diesel]

New. League. Record.

Just shy of eleven years.

Holy thread resurrection, Batman!

Ironic it is the same pattern.

Maybe GIVDude can read these old posts so he can at least have some sort of history about our union history.

 

[flex*wife]

Aaawwww where is netjetwife these days? I miss her. She inspired me.

 

[FLYLOW22]

She accepted recall back to a legacy.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Good for him.....
Who's our newest Steward going to rag on now. Never mind, he has many others he can draw upon to make himself seem important.