Net Jets announcement

[minimums]

Ask your Executive Counsel members if they can shed any light onto this rumor and see what kind of response you get!!

 

[ultrarunner]

Not that I'm pro-union or anything, but if I HAD to work at either of those outfits now, I'd rather not be on a non-union side if I were facing getting gobbled up.

 

[dogg]

Question for any netjets pilot....do you guys have a company email sytem such as a [email protected] type system....trying to chat with a friend there...thanks

 

[Diesel]

[email protected]

 

[RJET]

Ok Ok, the big announcement is I'M BUYING NETJETS, AND OPTIONS AND CS, AND FLEX. Big raises for everyone, and strippers for flight attendants. 1 on 30 off, and triple time for any time over 3 hours of duty. One seniority number for all and sick time accrues at a rate of 30 days per month.

(Kids screaming in the background) dang, it was just a dream. Oh well, I was disgustingly rich for a few minutes anyway!! Why can't it ever come true? :bawling:

Oh that sucks that we still have to work that one day.

 

[gordon24]

Oh that sucks that we still have to work that one day.

Trust me, there are people that would vote no to that.

 

[Mort Orecchio]

You guys are way off. Real deal from someone with his ear close to the ground is we're going back to the pre -98 blueberry blue uniforms with the cool red stripes. No word on hats yet........

 

[bizjet737]

The hat deal was announced this am. Send your hat sizes to:
[email protected]

 

[Guitar rocker]

what if raytheon buys NJ?

Well, It is kinda wierd that just a few months ago they offered 69-73ish based on percentile at year 5. Two weeks later they are offering 90. Makes me wonder..... why the sudden jump???? I mean, with the Holidays coming around the corner, it clearly needs to be settled otherwise everyone is gonna get the flu and be sick. But if in fact that it gets sold (and if they new that all along) , the contract becomes null and void. Then they sucked us dry for 4 years and will have fooled us all. But hey, its all speculation. I dont believe a thing I hear until I see it in black and white. Just something to think about.

 

[RNObased]

Well, It is kinda wierd that just a few months ago they offered 69-73ish based on percentile at year 5. Two weeks later they are offering 90. Makes me wonder..... why the sudden jump???? I mean, with the Holidays coming around the corner, it clearly needs to be settled otherwise everyone is gonna get the flu and be sick. But if in fact that it gets sold (and if they new that all along) , the contract becomes null and void. Then they sucked us dry for 4 years and will have fooled us all. But hey, its all speculation. I dont believe a thing I hear until I see it in black and white. Just something to think about.

Wrong.... The contract is not null and void if NJA gets sold. It remains intact...

 

[Guitar rocker]

Wrong.... The contract is not null and void if NJA gets sold. It remains intact...

I stand corrected. I was told that it is null and void. Guess not.

 

[hawkercpt]

Not trying to argue that point, more I guess a question due to ignorance of unions...

If purchased by a non-union company, what is in place to make them honor the union and the contract???

 

[SafetyTheSeat]

THE CONTRACT!!!!!!!!!! WHICH THE COMPANY SIGNED AND IS PASSED TO THE NEW C-O-M-P-A-N-Y BY C-O-N-T-R-A-C-T signed by the company........ THE CONTRACT, signed by the company, which is binding on any company which buys NJA,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, come on see the light,,,,,,,,..........

DUDE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THE CONTRACT.................

 

[Traderd]

THE CONTRACT!!!!!!!!!! WHICH THE COMPANY SIGNED AND IS PASSED TO THE NEW C-O-M-P-A-N-Y BY C-O-N-T-R-A-C-T signed by the company........ THE CONTRACT, signed by the company, which is binding on any company which buys NJA,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, come on see the light,,,,,,,,..........

DUDE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THE CONTRACT.................

Sounds about right; this article concerns a grocer but the idea is the same.

Union contracts add another layer of complication in deals and add the threat of health and pension liabilities down the road," said an investment banker who requested anonymity. "A company like GM (General Motors Corp. (NYSE:GM - news)) or any old-line manufacturer with lots of retirees means too much risk for anyone to even think of buying them right now."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051029/bs_nm/column_mergers_dc

 

[Vastly Underemp]

Please allow me to play Devil's Advocate for a moment. If NJ buys anyone non-union is there any chance there will be some sort of integration of the seniority lists, or will this simply be a staple job. And what do you guys feel should happen, regardless of reality.

Also, anyone close to the source, what's the main bullet points of the New Deal? Are you grandfathered in to commute from anywhere if you were on the seniority list before it was signed/effective? How do you think the new gateway system will work for recruiting new pilots next year, or will the acquisition of who-ever solve the manpower crunch?

Inquiring minds want to know........

 

[wanttofly]

Please allow me to play Devil's Advocate for a moment. If NJ buys anyone non-union is there any chance there will be some sort of integration of the seniority lists, or will this simply be a staple job. And what do you guys feel should happen, regardless of reality.

Also, anyone close to the source, what's the main bullet points of the New Deal? Are you grandfathered in to commute from anywhere if you were on the seniority list before it was signed/effective? How do you think the new gateway system will work for recruiting new pilots next year, or will the acquisition of who-ever solve the manpower crunch?

Inquiring minds want to know........

The main benefits are in no order:
- fly from home for anyone on the senority list prior to yesterday
- more pay
- a kick but scope
- 7n7 for those who want it

bad points:
- 5 year deal
- new hires have to report to a gateway that will be assigned to them when offered a job.
- we have to order our crew food off of a menu of about 7 items
- could have been a lot better signing bonus
- Bad 7n7 start days

Those of of at NJA that are rational, know that this is not a perfect contract. But we also know that it is night and day better than what we had. This contract is a building block for the future. Our new leadership did this in a year, imagine what they can do with 5 yrs.

The crew food issue willn't work, been told by those here for awhile that it was tried before and failed bad. Should correct itself within a short time. The fly from home is a big can of worms. Hopefully the company will take a hit on recruitment, and will be forced to give it to everyone. If not it will eventually cause a huge gap between us and any new hires, who will eventually out number us.

It will be interesting to see what comes up in the very near future. Rather it is we have been sold, or we have bought someone, there is something big coming down the pike. But like I said before, our quality of life just went up exponentially.