Neelman on cnbc.com today....

[embraerjetpilot]

The Democrats are too busy worrying about how the poor folks can fly......

The Dems. don't want to see the carriers get together....However that is what needs to happen...



Some people just dont get it...you are one of them...the past 8 years have just been one disaster after another for the airlines. Why is that?

And mergers are just a big excuse to give these executives big bonuses. They will still be losing millions of dollars each year.

Besides, that old guy Mccain wants to take away any negotiating rights we have. Want to work for 2 dollars an hour... Vote for him!

 

[STL717]

One more time for the attention-deficit crowd: I never brought up Al Gore. You did.

Secondly, I asked stl717 to : find me a single credible, publicly funded organization that argues that man is not causing the planet to warm. Good luck.

By his own admission, he was unable to.

Third, I haven't seen any data about how much co2 was released in the recent Chilean eruption. Please teach me, wise one. Then compare that to man's annual output of about 28,000,000,000 TONS of CO2. You will find that volcanos typically emit less than 1% of man's annual output.

Finally, please move on from this unhealthy obsession with Al Gore. It makes you sound like a wierdo.

So, your logic is because all publically funded web sites promote the theory of manmade global warming then it must be true.

I think you need to do more reading and research of the whole issue.

Manmade carbon dioxide induced global warming is not happening.

The solar scientists are now predicting the sun’s output is diminishing and to expect decades of cooling. The current sun spot cycle is at about 12 years long, significantly longer than the past few cycles indicating a cooling of the sun.
http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=287279412587175

The hockey stick graph of global temperature was a lie.
http://www.john-daly.com/hockey/hockey.htm



On top of that the PDO has probably swapped to it’s negative phase.
http://www.intellicast.com/Community/Content.aspx?ref=rss&a=126
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/nasa-pdo-flip-to-cool-phase-confirmed-cooler-times-ahead/


The hottest year in the last decade was 1998. This was apparent after a Canadian proved NASA had an error in the calculations they had used for each year after 2000. NASA quietly fixed the error and the main stream media didn’t bring up the issue.
http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/08/official-us-cli.html
http://oceanengineering.blogspot.com/2007/08/y2k-error-in-nasa-temperature-study.html



And don’t forget about instrument error. Many temperature sensors are not located correctly per NOAA specifications such as next to parking lots and air conditioners affecting accurate readings.
http://www.surfacestations.org/odd_sites.htm




Meanwhile the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will continue to increase while global cooling occurs, proving there is not a correlation between carbon dioxide and temperature. Thus we now have “climate change” advocates still pushing for carbon taxes or cap and trade.

Enjoy your new tax.

 

[Soverytired]

Secondly, I asked stl717 to : find me a single credible, publicly funded organization that argues that man is not causing the planet to warm. Good luck.

This is a reasonable demand, although I would suggest that "publicly funded" does not mean "neutral". This bias on your part assumes all government sponsored organizations are pure and true, and all privately funded organizations are short-sighted and biased.

"Publicly funded" = garbage, for most things (public schools, the DMV, etc.)

I think the 100% consensus is that the climate is changing. I think 95% of those scientists believe mankind is having some impact. How much impact is very much up as a matter of debate.

 

[jayme]

Public money takes the bias out of things. NASA/NOAA/NWS/USGS etc. don't need to twist their data to continue to get funds. They are there to serve us. If anything, they would be biased towards the republicans, who as a party think global warming is a sham. Despite this bias, they still agree man is causing the planet to warm and that it's a bad thing.

There are some public systems that could benefit from competition. You mention education - I absolutely agree! However, global warming is being researched by many different serious scientific agencies. If it was a sham, don't you think one of those organizations would be shouting it out, and trying to get the research money budgeted for the others? Yet, as organizations, they all agree that man is causing the planet to warm.

 

[STL717]

Public money takes the bias out of things. NASA/NOAA/NWS/USGS etc. don't need to twist their data to continue to get funds. They are there to serve us. If anything, they would be biased towards the republicans, who as a party think global warming is a sham. Despite this bias, they still agree man is causing the planet to warm and that it's a bad thing.

There are some public systems that could benefit from competition. You mention education - I absolutely agree! However, global warming is being researched by many different serious scientific agencies. If it was a sham, don't you think one of those organizations would be shouting it out, and trying to get the research money budgeted for the others? Yet, as organizations, they all agree that man is causing the planet to warm.

I guess you didn't read this from an earlier post.

You include NASA in your list of climate science sources; however it appears that James Hanson NASA’s manmade carbon dioxide global warming advocate may be just a little biased due to the influence of money.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jake-go...l-george-soros

Or do a google search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=james-hansen+soros

 

[LoveGun]

I guess you didn't read this from an earlier post.

You include NASA in your list of climate science sources; however it appears that James Hanson NASA’s manmade carbon dioxide global warming advocate may be just a little biased due to the influence of money.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jake-go...l-george-soros

Or do a google search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=james-hansen+soros

You believe that because an ultra conservative website does a biased, poorly researched story on one NASA scientist all government funded research on climate change is a sham? I have to agree that our public eduction system is failing. Obviously you were never taught critical thinking.

 

[jayme]

Exactly. James Hanson is not NASA.

STL717 - have you gone to NOAA.gov yet to verify your silly numbers?

 

[STL717]

Exactly. James Hanson is not NASA.

STL717 - have you gone to NOAA.gov yet to verify your silly numbers?

Mr. Hansen is the most vocal NASA scientists promoting manmade global warming.
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/staff/jhansen.html

You might want to call or email Mr. Hansen so he knows he is not NASA.
E-mail: [email protected]
Phone: (212) 678-5500


The silly numbers are not mine, do you have any silly numbers?

 

[jayme]

I'll take that as a no.

 

[STL717]

I'll take that as a no.

Oh I went NOAA and I didn't see and legitimate numbers but I did see many silly numbers and pretty graphs too.

So if manmade global warming is really happening as you believe and all the ramifications such as the oceans are going to rise soon. Why is no one moving from all the low lying areas? With the expected more devastating hurricanes why is no one moving away from the southeastern USA coastline? I have not seen any news reports of mass migrations.

How will “cap and trade” or carbon taxes reduce the actual amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and thus reduce global warming and “save the world”?

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Carbon dioxide has absolutely nothing to do with making our environment cleaner. Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant.

Ozone and carbon monoxide are examples of pollutants.

I am for a clean environment.

I do have a question. Why are the environmentalists so quiet while farmers plow more land to plant corn in the USA and sugar cane in Brazil?

Risk in climate change? There is no risk, the climate will continue to change just as it always has.

They aren't being quiet about it (do you need the links?) -- deforestation is at the top of the list.

Pick and choose whichever part of "climate change" you want to believe in order to make it convenient for your conscience -- then tell your great grandchildren that you were willing to take the risk to save a few bucks or your current lifestyle.

If it does all go to hell in a handbasket, you can just say that it was the natural order of things and not the direct result of man's (in)action. I guess for some, it's that simple. For others, it's like thinking that back in the day, most people didn't think that smoking was harmful.

That being said, the "hype" is soon to be a reality. The federal government will act, whether you like it or not.

The environment should NEVER, EVER be a partisan issue.

 

[Quimby]

Jayme needs to pull his head out of ALGORES ahole. You asked him to cite references and he did, you won't read them or believe them if you do read them. Just like those that said the ice age was returning during the 70's. To think that our SUV's can affect the climate is a joke. The volcano that just erupted in Chile spewed more CO2 than we can make in a decade, seems to me like there have been volcanos around for a few years, yet the earth is still here. I saw Al Gore flying from the Sundance film festival in a G-V with one other person on board. I guess he's real concerned about his global footprint right? Oh yeah, he buy carbon credits to offset his travels and his mansion.....from his own company. Geez jayme wake up!!!!!

Gore was seen getting on a G-II with a few folks last year to go from TN to the west coast.........(not that I don't love the G-II). He talks the talk, but.......

If he was so concerned about emissions, maybe he should walk.

 

[Nado]

At least St. Bono can confess his sins to someone-

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1


Quote:
Bono confesses sins to 'father' Al Gore

Jan 24 02:09 PM US/Eastern

‘Gulfstream-Flying Rock Star’ Bono Confesses Carbon Sins to ‘Father’ Al Gore

Having climate campaigner Al Gore round to your house is to open yourself to a self-flagellating guilt trip, Irish rock star Bono confessed Thursday.

Sharing a stage with the former US vice president at the annual gathering of world movers and shakers in the Swiss ski resort of Davos, the U2 frontman joked that their friendship was a source of pressure on the domestic front.

"He's been round my house and it's like... here's the recycler Al, you know... I've got a posh car, but it runs on ethanol Al," Bono said.

Acknowledging that a career in rock music was not always conducive to a green lifestyle, Bono compared a conversation with Gore to an act of religious contrition.

"It's like being with an Irish priest. You start to confess your sins," he said. "Father Al, I am not just a noise polluter, I am a noise-polluting, diesel-soaking, gulfstream-flying rock star.

"I'm going to kick the habit. I'm trying father Al, but oil has been very good for me -- those convoys of articulated lorries, petrochemical products, hair gel."

Bono and Gore were in Davos to push their respective campaigns for poverty alleviation and reducing carbon emissions.

 

[MJ42]

Public money takes the bias out of things. NASA/NOAA/NWS/USGS etc. don't need to twist their data to continue to get funds. They are there to serve us. If anything, they would be biased towards the republicans, who as a party think global warming is a sham. Despite this bias, they still agree man is causing the planet to warm and that it's a bad thing.

There are some public systems that could benefit from competition. You mention education - I absolutely agree! However, global warming is being researched by many different serious scientific agencies. If it was a sham, don't you think one of those organizations would be shouting it out, and trying to get the research money budgeted for the others? Yet, as organizations, they all agree that man is causing the planet to warm.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/space/5752141.html

Happy to see NASA using our money wisely.

 

[jayme]

What's your premise, here? That since there is waste at NASA, all their research is moot? Interesting...