Need Aircraft Selection Advice: Turboprop to Jet

[msw]

I'd like to solicit some aircraft selection advice from y'all.........

In the past two weeks, I've done a trip from Los Angeles to Nebraska (and back); and Los Angeles to Atlanta (and back), in our King Air B200. Traditionally, most of our flights are mainly throughout Calif, AZ, NV, maybe a bit further, generally out to about 500 to 600 NM max. The BE-20 has fit that role pretty nicely. However, since we now seem to be on the verge of expanding our reach into the 1500 NM - 2000 NM range, I'm thinking we need something faster. Coming back from Atlanta in the King Air, against the headwinds, was not pretty.

I know very little about jets, but what I'd like in a jet is.......... the cabin size of a King Air 200; seating for 8 (maybe 10) plus two up front; non-stop range out to 2000 NM, or close to that (don't need to carry all 8 - 10 pax over that range though, I can trade off some of the pax load for that max range); decent operating economy; and reasonable short-field capability (we operate into and out of some 3600 - 4000 ft long runways pretty regularly, but we don't need to necessarily carry max payload or operate at max gross into and out of them).

What's your suggestions for a jet that fits these requirements? And what is the approx price range (for a decent used one) of what you are suggesting?

Thanks!

 

[air_chompers]

For a small Jet look at this baby. http://www.eclipseaviation.com/

 

[O-Line]

Citations. It's the usual progression. Don't bother with the I or II's, there not enough of an upgrade from a BE-20, but the 560's (V's, Ultras, Encores) are nice airplanes. Roomy (for a light jet), can operate out of 4000' runways (easily), can go up to FL450 or do 415 knots (but not both at the same time). Plus they're a lot easier to fly than a King Air.

Then again, have you heard about the Legacy !

 

[Canucit]

well the problem is that for every seat you add the price goes up exponetially

the king air 350 will give you two more seats and 20 more knots
i do agree that the citations series will do pretty well but even then how many seats are in a citation five and then do the math on fuel and maintenance
costs
the eclipse seats four the hawker 800xp seats either 7 or 8 the king air 200 seats 7 and is certified for up to 15
so the more seats you add the more money you will pay to go anywhere
good luck

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Hawker 800XP

Check out the Hawker vs. Lear 60 thread.

The Hawker would be a good choice. It has a stand-up cabin, does about M.78, and can hold up to 9 passengers. The cabin will remind you of the King Air, but be faster and quiter, and fly faster.

Let us know what you come up with.

Jeff

 

[FN FAL]

I'd like to solicit some aircraft selection advice from y'all.........

Thanks!

this isn't a jet, but they claim it's pretty fast. It also doesn't meet your mission requirements, but the pictures are pretty. Performance specs are on the tab above the picture...

http://www.akdestinations.com/akjets/piaggioavanti_overview.htm

The same brokerage lists a Challenger 604 and the seating arrangement fits the ammount of pax's you are talking about. There are performance specs included with this one as well...it looks like 8 or 9 in the back is a big plane!

http://www.akdestinations.com/akjets/cabinlayout_604.htm

 

[350DRIVER]

I wouldn't upgrade into a 350 if you are going to be doing a lot of future west coast to east coast swings and back, really not the plane in my opinion. Look into the Premier by Raytheon, decent range and decent speed and can be flown single pilot. The more seats you add the more you are going to end up spending when all is said and done. The Premier may be on the short end of this with regards to range since you will only get around a tad over 1500nm with a max cruise of around 451 kts. You would have seating for 7 pax

 

[Bandit60]

The problem with the Kingair 350 is the price tag. If your going to spend millions for a kingair you might as well go with a jet. Besides you are going to need typed in both. (yes I know you can fly the 350 single pilot).

I dont believe it is worth upgrading from a 200 to a 350. I would just keep the 200.

How much money are you willing to spend on an airplane?
That will help with the type you are in the market for.

 

[English]

Look into the Premier by Raytheon, decent range and decent speed and can be flown single pilot. The more seats you add the more you are going to end up spending when all is said and done. The Premier may be on the short end of this with regards to range since you will only get around a tad over 1500nm with a max cruise of around 451 kts. You would have seating for 7 pax

That's odd. I just met a Premier pilot the other day who said VNY-DFW was a stretch in the Premier, with 3 pax. Sometimes they made it nonstop and sometimes they didn't.

Are you sure about your numbers?

 

[T Dub]

If you would like a jet that will do a one stop transcon flight with short field capability, you need the Citation XL or the XLS. Its got close to a Hawker cabin, will do less than 4000' runways and will easily make it with one stop. IMO, the first question you need to answer is how much the boss wants to spend on his new ride.

 

[350DRIVER]

That's odd. I just met a Premier pilot the other day who said VNY-DFW was a stretch in the Premier, with 3 pax. Sometimes they made it nonstop and sometimes they didn't.

Are you sure about your numbers?

I was not 100% sure on "my numbers" so I referred back to Raytheon's website on the Premier's performance specs and they are claiming the same as I posted.

for what that is worth if anything

http://www.raytheonaircraft.com/beechcraft/beechcraft_family.shtml

The Premier I proves the value of innovation. The easy-to-fly, single-pilot Beechcraft Premier I has the largest cabin, the fastest cruise speeds, the most advanced avionics and the largest baggage capacity of any jet in its class. Characteristics that make the revolutionary Premier I a true Beechcraft.​

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Typical Seating:
How Fast - Max. Speed:
How High - Cert. Ceiling:
How Far - Max. Range: ​

1 Pilot / 7 Passengers451 kts / 519 mph / 0.80 Mmo41,000 ft. 1,502 nm / 1,727 sm​

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[sky37d]

I agree with FN FAL. Avanti is cost effective, fast, Hawker like cabin.


check out here, best graphics, www.avantair.com

mfg site, www.piaggioaero.com

Not to mention, sexy beyond belief.

 

[sky37d]

Oh, I almost forgot

There is this one http://www.courtesyaircraft.com/n7705C.htm which looks cool, has lots of room, and is pretty fast.

 

[BD King]

Hawker. Did I say Hawker? Hawker.


www.bdkingpress.com