Near miss at LAX, puts NWA cruise incident in perspective

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Extreme under compensated bottom feeder's and detriments to this career from the Republic cartel almost take out NWA at LAX; this is a true dangerous near accident....


Runway incursion probed at LA International
(AP) – 38 minutes ago
LOS ANGELES — The Federal Aviation Administration is trying to determine how close two passenger jets came to each other in a so-called runway incursion at Los Angeles International Airport.
Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Ian Gregor said Monday the jets were within 100 feet of each other, but radar data was being analyzed to determine the exact distance. A finding could come as early as Tuesday.
The incident involved a Midwest Express Embraer 190 that landed and taxied toward a runway on which a Northwest Airlines Boeing 757 was taking off for Honolulu on Sunday afternoon.
Midwest Express Flight 1503, arriving from Milwaukee, landed on the airport's southernmost runway and was told to turn onto a taxiway and hold there.
Gregor said the jet was supposed to stop 200 feet from the edge of a parallel runway but continued on. Gregor said a controller saw what was happening and ordered the aircraft to halt.
Los Angeles International Airport has four parallel runways, two on the north side of the central terminal area and two on the south side. Planes landing on the outer runways have to cross the inner runways to reach the terminals.
 

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Me think that these "Midwest" pilots haven't been to LAX frequently.
 

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Anyways, I don't think this puts it in that much perspective. True, it was way, way more dangerous, however a runway incursion happens in an instant--a sudden lapse of attention in a busy environment. Screwing around on your laptop and overflying your destination by 150 miles is almost premeditated stupidity.
 

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Quote-Kalifornia: Extreme under compensated bottom feeder's and detriments to this career from the Republic cartel almost take out NWA at LAX; this is a true dangerous near accident....


Okay, fair enough. But to bring pay or employer into it? Really? NONE of us are immune to this type of mistake. If you think you are, then you're probably next. The greatest (worst) runway incursion of all time, which turned into the single deadliest air disaster in history, happened at the hands of some very well compensated men.

Be careful out there...
 
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if you want to post an article and take a random shot (and in this case...a true shot) at a pilot group, doing both to start a topic doesn't make much sense.

Do one, then the other in another post if you want. Try it. It'll make you feel better.
 

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were they on their laptops or having a heated discussion on airline policy?
 

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This is why you wait till crossing all active runways to perform an after landing check list. Oh and PAY ATTENTION!!! Its what your paid for!
 

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Did they not see the solid red lights on the taxiway? One of the best systems I've seen around..
 

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This is why you wait till crossing all active runways to perform an after landing check list. Oh and PAY ATTENTION!!! Its what your paid for!
At $35 a flight hour, the FO is getting paid the equivalent to manage the fry station at the local In-N-Out.
 

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BUT working for IN and Out burger is a better pick up line then I work for Republic
 

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and the benefits are better.... What we need to to sell in-n-out on the airplanes.

Scott
 

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"Extreme under compensated bottom feeder's and detriments to this career from the Republic cartel almost take out NWA at LAX; this is a true dangerous near accident...."


Maybe they thought DL/NW was taking off on the taxiway so they were heading to the runway where it was safe.
If only the plane that landed on taxiway M in ATL had well paid non bottom feeder pilots on it....
Get a life
 

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RAH's turn in the barrel after the taxiway incursion in ATL and the 3 hour tour by the Skipper and Gilligan. All of these incidents could have been much worse: no paint missing and nobody hurt, just some red faces and unfortunately some damaged careers.

The predictable few have made (and will continue to make) the predictable comments about commuters in general and RAH specifically, but not a one of us, regardless of position and/or background is immune.
 

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Unless their brakes failed as they cleared the runway, it sounds to me like a loss of SA after landing. Anyone who's been to LAX more than once should know the drill. It rarely changes. After landing on either the north or south complex you're going to cross the departure runway in use, and you monitor tower until cleared to do so. It would be interesting to learn if these guys briefed 10-9 during the approach brief - especially if they were newbies to LAX.

Y'all be careful out there.
 
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The question is did they cross, or just get close enough to the hold bars that the ASD showed them over the line.

Once again, there are many explanations. Just wait for the results.
 

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As usual in this country, the media's attention is focused on ANY airline mishap that we would not have even heard about 1 year ago. To the regular layman it sounds like airplanes are within a hairs breath of disaster on a daily basis right now.

Remember several years ago when there were several shark attacks in Florida? Seems there was one every day or two to listen to the media. Beaches were closed, nets went up and local news stations had stories on how to fend off sharks. Hell, they even started selling shark repellent in some stores. Turns out it was a completely NORMAL year. About average number or slightly higher than normal.

Point is. You can thank the media for all this exposure. You really think this is happening more lately? Atlanta has had aircraft land on the wrong runway/taxiway before. Look at the history of GTR. See how many people have landed at the wrong airport. Makes landing on the wrong runway or nosing over the hold short line seem harmless in comparison.

All we need is some sensational shark attack or some more H1N1 coverage and this will all die down.
 

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At $35 a flight hour, the FO is getting paid the equivalent to manage the fry station at the local In-N-Out.

It sucks I know, I've been there. Hell my first year at CAL I made LESS then that on a 757. Its a piss poor excuse though.
 

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FAA: Two Jets Only 82 Feet Apart At LAX

FAA: 2 jets were only about 82 feet apart at LAX

By DAISY NGUYEN, Associated Press Writer

Thursday, October 29, 2009

(10-29) 06:24 PDT LOS ANGELES, (AP) --

The Federal Aviation Administration said Wednesday a runway incursion put a taxiing jet about 82 feet from a departing airliner — less than half the separation required by aviation rules.

The incident Sunday at Los Angeles International Airport involved a Midwest Airlines Embraer 190 that landed and taxied toward a runway on which a Northwest Airlines Boeing 757 was taking off for Honolulu.

The Midwest Airlines jet, arriving from Milwaukee, landed on the airport's southernmost runway and was told to turn onto a taxiway and hold there.

FAA spokesman Mike Fergus said the jet was supposed to stop 200 feet from the edge of a parallel runway but continued on. An alarm was triggered when the jet crossed the hold line marked by a bright yellow bar.

A controller saw what was happening and ordered the Midwest aircraft to stop, Fergus said. It halted about 70 feet from the edge of the runway.

Assuming the Northwest plane was in the center of the runway, the total distance between the Midwest jet's nose and the Northwest Airline's wingtip was about 82 feet.

Fergus said the incident was considered a runway incursion because the Midwest pilot crossed the hold line.

The airport has four parallel runways. Planes landing on the outer runways have to cross inner runways to reach the terminals.

Last fiscal year, eight runway incursions occurred at the airport, the FAA said.

In the spring, a warning system designed to prevent near accidents and other runway violations was installed at one runway and eight associated taxiways.

Sunday's incursion occurred at a taxiway and runway that did not have the system, called runway status warning lights, the agency said.
 

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The greatest (worst) runway incursion of all time, which turned into the single deadliest air disaster in history, happened at the hands of some very well compensated men.

Be careful out there...
Indeed.
"Captain Veldhuyzen van Zanten was KLM's chief of flight training and the airline's preferred pilot for publicity such as magazine advertisements. As such, KLM attempted to contact him to give public statements regarding the disaster, before learning that he was the captain involved."
 
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