Navaid id?

[GravityHater]

Poll: How many still follow the instruction received all those years ago, about verifying the approach navaid by listening to the morse code when in busy terminal airspace?
Just trying to get a feel for what is normal and usual these days.
Thanks

 

[U of I Tweak]

Depends on the airplane I'm flying and the purpose of tuning the navaid. Flying the Citation, nav frequencies display the ID on the EMERGENCY when it picks up the station. There is no need for me to verify the morse code separately. If I'm tuning a radio as a backup to the FMS, I generally don't ID it. When I'm flying with avionics that don't verify it for me, or if somehow I find myself flying an NDB, I certainly tune, identify, twist just like I learned getting my instrument rating.

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[SSDD]

I verify it for approaches. The ID that appears on the PFD is for the DME, not the navaid.

 

[U of I Tweak]

I learn something new everyday. I have a vague recollection os the guys at CAE teaching that it was acceptable method for IDing when I went through Ultra initial a few years ago.

If that only covers the DME, I suppose I should ID if I'm flying off the nav radio.

Does the DME transmit an ID if the VOR is OTS?

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[TMMT]

I'm old skool...

But then again so is the steam-powered slowtation I fly.

I still verify...

 

[GravityHater]

Thanks guys, problem with these polls is,..how many who do not ID would post to tell about it. Do any of you fly with someone who never does?

 

[jet2work]

A lot of modern equipment will auto tune the nav-aid for the approach entered into the FMS. Additionally it will display the ID. In my case, I can tell that when the ID tuned (displayed on the PFD) is prefaced with an I, like ILAX, that I am indeed tuned to the localizer. If it is a VOR approach (haven't done one in years) I would typically have the approach loaded in the FMS and have an overlay, so any discrepancy would be pretty obvious. So, if you are looking for someone to fess up to not listening to Morse code ID's, here I am.
Not proud about, but I've been trained that in the equip I fly, it is not necessary (not talking about an NDB approach).

 

[CA1900]

In my case, I can tell that when the ID tuned (displayed on the PFD) is prefaced with an I, like ILAX, that I am indeed tuned to the localizer...

But is that identifier on the PFD for the localizer, or its associated DME transceiver? It's worth checking your equipment's manual to find out for certain.

In most equipment I've flown that displays an identifier on the screen, it's the DME's ID being shown, not that of the VHF transmitter. And in such equipment, I do indeed listen to the morse code ID to verify that it's transmitting, and with the correct ID.

Remember that a DME, while usually co-located with a VHF transmitter, is an entirely separate UHF transceiver. It's possible for the DME to work while the localizer is offline.

As I said, check the books on your specific plane to find out for sure.

 

[Rough67]

Poll: How many still follow the instruction received all those years ago, about verifying the approach navaid by listening to the morse code when in busy terminal airspace?
Just trying to get a feel for what is normal and usual these days.
Thanks

We do as well.. Very important with the dc9, as our avionics pretty basic.

 

[gern_blanston]

We always do. It's a bit old-fashioned, but it only costs you 10 seconds,
And it could save your @$$ some dark and stormy night.
The ident displayed on our airplanes (different types) is from the DME.

 

[jet2work]

But is that identifier on the PFD for the localizer, or its associated DME transceiver? It's worth checking your equipment's manual to find out for certain.

In most equipment I've flown that displays an identifier on the screen, it's the DME's ID being shown, not that of the VHF transmitter. And in such equipment, I do indeed listen to the morse code ID to verify that it's transmitting, and with the correct ID.

Remember that a DME, while usually co-located with a VHF transmitter, is an entirely separate UHF transceiver. It's possible for the DME to work while the localizer is offline.

As I said, check the books on your specific plane to find out for sure.

I agree with all of what you say. I'm simply fessing up that in the aircraft we fly, we have been trained that ID'ing the Morse code signal is no longer necessary. I would have other indications if the DME was working and the localizer was out (like a big red flag) Additionally, even though the frequency tuned, if it did not ID, I would not get course guidance (railroad tracks) or Nav Transfer. Additionally, my OSP on the chart would probably not match with the localizer. We load our approaches through the FMS, and let it auto-tune. I'm sure there is some way to screw it up, but I haven't found it yet.

From an old AvWeb article:
Most pilots were taught to listen to and verify the Morse code identification of VOR stations, but many pilots don't realize that DME also has identification. When a VOR and DME are co-located (as in a VORTAC or VOR-DME station), the DME transmits the same coded ident as the VOR, but sends it during the pause between successive VOR idents. The DME ident is also higher-pitched: 1350 Hz compared with 1020 Hz for a VOR ident.

So apparently even if I did listen to the Morse code ID, if I am unable to distinguish a 1350Hz pitch from a 1020Hz pitch, I could still mess it up. I don't get too wrapped up in a navaid ID when I have multiple sources of backup information to help my SA. If I were flying a Cessna 172, I would certainly check the ID, just to make sure I didn't tune the wrong navaid.

 

[bailout]

We have been trained the same way in our aircraft. We dont enter the freq at all in the nav radio. We load the approach in the FMS and everything else auto-tunes. (freq, course, switches over to green needles, etc)

 

[FO4life]

In the proline 21, in school by different people we were told that if the auto tune feature is used and it works it is the same as listening to the IDENT. Doesn't mean it's true and I have not anything in writing to back it up. But we do it.