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Going2Baja
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Why not ask them? Because they won't tell you. They can't, because if they did, and were truthful, you would never show up to go to work.
Apparently you haven't done much research on NJME yet...else you probably wouldn't have considered the offer too seriously.
You won't mind that three hotels where they stay were recently bombed.
Or that your 35 on, 31 off schedule works because they send you home after 100 hours of flying time (sometimes)...after two weeks. Or sit you for a few days and do it again.
And you don't mind training on your days off, twice a year, and half-rate perdiem. Yada, yada.
I interviewed there, and was offered a position. They don't want you discussing pay because I knew people who interviewed at the same time I did with half or less of my experience who were offered considerably more...it varied by person and aircraft. The pay was unacceptable. They refused to discuss it in the sim. I ran into some of their pilots at Flight Safety and asked them about upgrades. One turned his back and said he couldn't discuss it, he was afraid for his job.
I was given nine days to respond. I elected not to respond. After three weeks, I got a call in my hotel room at four in the morning, demanding to know why I hadn't returned my acceptance letter. I did return a letter, but one saying I apprecaited the offer, but didn't feel it in my best interested to accept. I also sent a letter for reimbursement of the airfare to the interview and the cost of changing my airline reservations after a 14 hour interview made me miss my flight...and an extra night in the hotel. To date, I still haven't seen the money.
They were very, very concerned about expats keeping their temper and being patient with the arabs. Seemed to think that's a big problem.
Do a little searching...try Pprune.org. You may not be happy with the results, but at least you'll have a little better idea what you're getting yourself into, to dangle a preposition in your favor. Good luck.
Apparently you haven't done much research on NJME yet...else you probably wouldn't have considered the offer too seriously.
You won't mind that three hotels where they stay were recently bombed.
Or that your 35 on, 31 off schedule works because they send you home after 100 hours of flying time (sometimes)...after two weeks. Or sit you for a few days and do it again.
And you don't mind training on your days off, twice a year, and half-rate perdiem. Yada, yada.
I interviewed there, and was offered a position. They don't want you discussing pay because I knew people who interviewed at the same time I did with half or less of my experience who were offered considerably more...it varied by person and aircraft. The pay was unacceptable. They refused to discuss it in the sim. I ran into some of their pilots at Flight Safety and asked them about upgrades. One turned his back and said he couldn't discuss it, he was afraid for his job.
I was given nine days to respond. I elected not to respond. After three weeks, I got a call in my hotel room at four in the morning, demanding to know why I hadn't returned my acceptance letter. I did return a letter, but one saying I apprecaited the offer, but didn't feel it in my best interested to accept. I also sent a letter for reimbursement of the airfare to the interview and the cost of changing my airline reservations after a 14 hour interview made me miss my flight...and an extra night in the hotel. To date, I still haven't seen the money.
They were very, very concerned about expats keeping their temper and being patient with the arabs. Seemed to think that's a big problem.
Do a little searching...try Pprune.org. You may not be happy with the results, but at least you'll have a little better idea what you're getting yourself into, to dangle a preposition in your favor. Good luck.
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We didn't discuss it in the sim. That was a typo. At the conclusion of the face to face interview, I was presented an opportunity to ask questions, and among those, I enquired about salary. I was told that the issue would not be discussed, but that I would receive the information at the time a job offer might be given.
The sim was operated by the NJME director of operations, and my sim partner was one of the top management. None of us had ever been in type before (EMB-145, I believe). The checklists used were generic, and didn't address the airplane. We were given a takeoff, which I aborted due to a master warning (unintentional...nobody knew exactly what had happened, but they said the abort went well). After takeoff, a turn and vectors with steep turns. During the conclusion of the turns I was issued a vector and experienced an engine failure (and apparently another malfunction, though that was never clear and there were no checklists to support whatever had occured...including disconnection of the yaw damper). I then flew an ILS to a landing.
Later when discussing the sim, someone else in the test group asked if I'd crashed it. I've never been asked that after an interview, and I said no, of course not. Turns out others did. And, I believe, were offered employment.
The presentation in the interview (which was the longest I've ever attended in one session) was quite professional. Each person, from the senior management doing the interviewing to the DO running the session, was very coordial and professional, and certainly gave a good impression. I have no complaints about my interaction with them.
What disturbed me about the process is that extremely little information was available. All of it negative. By comparison, I accepted an assignment years ago with a governmental agency that was not entirely "open" in nature. Before becoming involved, I researched them, their operation, the history of the operation, spoke to those involved, those on the other "side," and third parties with particular knowledge. I had a folder three hundred pages thick before I ever showed up, that included the aircraft serial numbers, personal phone numbers, operating locations, and even the contractual agreement between the pilots and the agency involved. Everything.
Researching NJME yielded precious little information, and none of the interaction I had with personnel from NJME presented with useful or positive info. A Part 135/91K commercial show that is attempting to sell itself to the public had far less available than a "covert" operation...that's bad.
That's not really important...do yourself a favor, and take the time to do the research before you accept the job. Do a search on it at Pprune and see what you think. Another poster on this site recently accepted a job there. It's not my discretion to disclose who...but if he's reading and is willing, he may contact you himself. Regardless of what you decide, good luck.
I hope my perceptions are in error, and that it works well for you. If indeed that's the case, do NJME and the community in general a favor and post your positive impressions so that everyone can benifit. Again, good luck!
The sim was operated by the NJME director of operations, and my sim partner was one of the top management. None of us had ever been in type before (EMB-145, I believe). The checklists used were generic, and didn't address the airplane. We were given a takeoff, which I aborted due to a master warning (unintentional...nobody knew exactly what had happened, but they said the abort went well). After takeoff, a turn and vectors with steep turns. During the conclusion of the turns I was issued a vector and experienced an engine failure (and apparently another malfunction, though that was never clear and there were no checklists to support whatever had occured...including disconnection of the yaw damper). I then flew an ILS to a landing.
Later when discussing the sim, someone else in the test group asked if I'd crashed it. I've never been asked that after an interview, and I said no, of course not. Turns out others did. And, I believe, were offered employment.
The presentation in the interview (which was the longest I've ever attended in one session) was quite professional. Each person, from the senior management doing the interviewing to the DO running the session, was very coordial and professional, and certainly gave a good impression. I have no complaints about my interaction with them.
What disturbed me about the process is that extremely little information was available. All of it negative. By comparison, I accepted an assignment years ago with a governmental agency that was not entirely "open" in nature. Before becoming involved, I researched them, their operation, the history of the operation, spoke to those involved, those on the other "side," and third parties with particular knowledge. I had a folder three hundred pages thick before I ever showed up, that included the aircraft serial numbers, personal phone numbers, operating locations, and even the contractual agreement between the pilots and the agency involved. Everything.
Researching NJME yielded precious little information, and none of the interaction I had with personnel from NJME presented with useful or positive info. A Part 135/91K commercial show that is attempting to sell itself to the public had far less available than a "covert" operation...that's bad.
That's not really important...do yourself a favor, and take the time to do the research before you accept the job. Do a search on it at Pprune and see what you think. Another poster on this site recently accepted a job there. It's not my discretion to disclose who...but if he's reading and is willing, he may contact you himself. Regardless of what you decide, good luck.
I hope my perceptions are in error, and that it works well for you. If indeed that's the case, do NJME and the community in general a favor and post your positive impressions so that everyone can benifit. Again, good luck!
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Avbugs recollection of the interview process is spot on. I was paired with another interviewee however, but the sim ride (minus the unexpected anomalies) is the basic profile everyone flew. My sim partner crashed the sim and was offered a position I later found out. Everything was professionally administered, but the important facts were kept very obscure. Anyways, good luck and please let the rest of us know what you find out.
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Do yourself a favor and really look before you JUMP!!!!
I have a good friend thats doing everything he can to get away from that bunch... They have gone thru about 3 or 4 chief piolts in the last year if I'm not mistaken. From the horses mouth..... I would pass unless you really need the JOB!!!!
I have a good friend thats doing everything he can to get away from that bunch... They have gone thru about 3 or 4 chief piolts in the last year if I'm not mistaken. From the horses mouth..... I would pass unless you really need the JOB!!!!
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Life in Saudi?? Let's see...in the 80's it wasn't too bad but that was before anti-American sentiment set in and before Gulf War I and II.
If you're blonde, they'll touch your hair. If you're a woman, cover up. If you have long hair (read pony tail), cut it off or Imam or Mullah will do it for you. Don't wear shorts in public, don't inquire about native women (it's an assumption you want to court and eventually marry her...how many goats you got?). Don't drink the water out of the bowser trucks. Seriously. Don't drink the water out of the taps either. Drink bottled water or "Pepsi" water (Pepsi water is the distilled and refined stuff they use at the Pepsi plant.)
If you don't mind roaches the size of small rats then Saudi's not bad. If you don't mind the smell of B.O. and Aqua Velva or B.O. and Chaps, it's not bad. Driving?? Take your life in your own hands. Lines on the streets are they because westerners made the streets. Don't take public transportation during Ramadhan. Half the people are half asleep during the day because they are up all night celebrating.
Kaki Cola is not Coca Cola with a different name. Coke is in Israel so it ain't in Saudi.
If you like humidity...live in Jiddah or Dhahran/Al Khobar. If you like dry heat, live in Riyadh.
If you like bargains on electronics and gold, hit the souks (marketplaces).
DON'T EAT A SCHWARMA BURGER! (local gyro...they shoo away the swarm of flies before they cut off your slab of meat hence the name "schwarma"!)
Oh yeah...don't get thrown in jail. Unless your friends or someone from your company comes to feed you...you go hungry. And while I've heard public executions are not done anymore, public be-handings are still going on. If you get to Riyadh...visit "Chop-Chop Square". Ask any westerner who's been their for a few months...they'll know where it's at.
And, if you aren't muslim and don't follow the practice of praying five times a day, then Prayer Call at 6 am will drive you nuts for the first 6 months. You know you've been in Saudi too long when you don't hear Prayer Call anymore.
This is what it was like when I lived there in 79-80. I've heard it's not changed much and that anti-americanism is greater than before. Don't remind them that the US and Western Europe built their country and educated their people...tends to piss them off.
That's my 2 cents...
Eric
If you're blonde, they'll touch your hair. If you're a woman, cover up. If you have long hair (read pony tail), cut it off or Imam or Mullah will do it for you. Don't wear shorts in public, don't inquire about native women (it's an assumption you want to court and eventually marry her...how many goats you got?). Don't drink the water out of the bowser trucks. Seriously. Don't drink the water out of the taps either. Drink bottled water or "Pepsi" water (Pepsi water is the distilled and refined stuff they use at the Pepsi plant.)
If you don't mind roaches the size of small rats then Saudi's not bad. If you don't mind the smell of B.O. and Aqua Velva or B.O. and Chaps, it's not bad. Driving?? Take your life in your own hands. Lines on the streets are they because westerners made the streets. Don't take public transportation during Ramadhan. Half the people are half asleep during the day because they are up all night celebrating.
Kaki Cola is not Coca Cola with a different name. Coke is in Israel so it ain't in Saudi.
If you like humidity...live in Jiddah or Dhahran/Al Khobar. If you like dry heat, live in Riyadh.
If you like bargains on electronics and gold, hit the souks (marketplaces).
DON'T EAT A SCHWARMA BURGER! (local gyro...they shoo away the swarm of flies before they cut off your slab of meat hence the name "schwarma"!)
Oh yeah...don't get thrown in jail. Unless your friends or someone from your company comes to feed you...you go hungry. And while I've heard public executions are not done anymore, public be-handings are still going on. If you get to Riyadh...visit "Chop-Chop Square". Ask any westerner who's been their for a few months...they'll know where it's at.
And, if you aren't muslim and don't follow the practice of praying five times a day, then Prayer Call at 6 am will drive you nuts for the first 6 months. You know you've been in Saudi too long when you don't hear Prayer Call anymore.
This is what it was like when I lived there in 79-80. I've heard it's not changed much and that anti-americanism is greater than before. Don't remind them that the US and Western Europe built their country and educated their people...tends to piss them off.
That's my 2 cents...
Eric
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Not trying to burst your bubble, I once considered applying to NJME. On the surface, the schedule may be attractive to some. The pay may be also, but I have first hand intelligence from a friend who worked there and it was nothing but a negative experience according to him. In these times, it just seems that the minuses outweigh the plusses. Also, IIRC, the pay falls below the IRS' tax-free guideline. Although, I'm not 100% sure about that, someone else on the board may be able to offer additional insight. Good luck with whatever you decide.
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Hey guys, I just wanted to add that my buddy that works for NJME, has been there for over 3 yrs. and because of his low time and desire to work for only Netjets in the U.S. he is stuck there. He just typed in a new A./C. and had to sign a new contract. He told me he would gladly buy out his contract for about 35k. to be able to come home and work in the U.S. I also know about 10 others who said they would never do that again for any amount of MONEY.
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Thanks for the info, I'm still looking for first hand information to make the best decisions will all the relevant facts on the current operation. I have posted to PPrune, but no responses. Anyway thanks again and keep the information comming and if any of you know someone there now please have them PM me.
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AHP-TWAMaddog said:
Hey and while you're at it why dont you and I walk to the nearest recruiter and join the Armys special forces. Guaranteed relocation to the middle east....I've hear QOL isnt all that great though. But you'll probably still pay some taxes, you might not get Saudi base....oh yeah and a falcon might poke your eyes out.
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Ultra,
NJME is really NAS (National Air Service). It gets a bit convoluted but the operation is controlled by the Saudis. The royal family wanted to get some of the nephews and cousins and cousins of cousins (who are rich too) off the Saudia Royal Flights. It's kind of like a Hilton hotel that isn't owned by Hilton (most aren't). The owner of the property pays for the brand, management assistance, reservation system access, etc. Netjets agreed to help them with logistics and operations and provided most of the start-up pilots. I know several pilots who served in that operation, two of whom are Muslim and speak arabic and/or urdu. They were quite comfortable with the arrangements but were happy to return to the US. The white, non-muslim Americans who have gone over ran screaming home as fast as their feet (or employment contracts) allowed them.
Maddog, run, don't walk, in the other direction.
NJME is really NAS (National Air Service). It gets a bit convoluted but the operation is controlled by the Saudis. The royal family wanted to get some of the nephews and cousins and cousins of cousins (who are rich too) off the Saudia Royal Flights. It's kind of like a Hilton hotel that isn't owned by Hilton (most aren't). The owner of the property pays for the brand, management assistance, reservation system access, etc. Netjets agreed to help them with logistics and operations and provided most of the start-up pilots. I know several pilots who served in that operation, two of whom are Muslim and speak arabic and/or urdu. They were quite comfortable with the arrangements but were happy to return to the US. The white, non-muslim Americans who have gone over ran screaming home as fast as their feet (or employment contracts) allowed them.
Maddog, run, don't walk, in the other direction.
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