N501RH Hendricks King Air NTSB summary out

[satpak77]

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2006/AAB0601.htm

sorry if it was posted already, came out a week or two ago

 

[flyinlow67]

Nothing suprising. They failed to execute the published missed approach. Sad.

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

Hendrick publicly announced that not only his crew but Air Traffic Controllers where to blame because they did not inform the pilot of his low alt reference to terrain. Another idiot who doesn't understand how it all works. How can the controllers instruct a pilot when they have been handed over to CTAF. Truley amazing how an uneducated person with references to aviation can make accusations. A$$hole!

 

[satpak77]

sad case...the approach was fairly basic IFR 101 stuff

 

[jergar999]

The NTSB report included some really neat charts and images, and the plate. I have to say I'm impressed.

 

[ultrarunner]

Nothing suprising. They failed to execute the published missed approach. Sad.

The approach started out unstable and ended the same. They should have taken a turn in holding and crossed the IAF and the correct altitude. IF they'd have done that, we wouldn't even be talking about it.

But geez, headed inbound and down hill, in mountainous terrain, they crossed the IAF 1500 feet about the correct altitude.

Then, they proceeded to cross the threshold AT the IAF altitude. What on earth made them think they could land out of that!?

Does anyone here think they even knew where they were?

 

[satpak77]

The approach started out unstable and ended the same. They should have taken a turn in holding and crossed the IAF and the correct altitude. IF they'd have done that, we wouldn't even be talking about it.

But geez, headed inbound and down hill, in mountainous terrain, they crossed the IAF 1500 feet about the correct altitude.

Then, they proceeded to cross the threshold AT the IAF altitude. What on earth made them think they could land out of that!?

Does anyone here think they even knew where they were?

I don't think they knew where they were, too bad, they had GPS and both NDB/ADF needle to orient themselves, along with the LOC

worst case, stay at 5100 feet MSA and get established in the hold and descend to the published approach altitudes while in the hold, then shoot the approach

the MAP is defined by DME, at 1 DME you either see the runway or you don't, period.

I think this crew got confused and flew this LOC as an NDB, with clock, etc.

It was a LOC Approach, with DME defining the MAP.

Even then, they did not make a climbing right turn as a Missed, they flew runway heading and climbed instead. So that was bungled also.

even with the "expired" GPS, it would have provided useful SA information

 

[AngelKing]

That accident crew was probably months ago reading some accident report shaking their heads and wondering "what were those idiots thinking?"

Just like you guys are doing now!


AK

 

[satpak77]

That accident crew was probably months ago reading some accident report shaking their heads and wondering "what were those idiots thinking?"

Just like you guys are doing now!


AK

yeah lets stop trying to learn from past accidents, and remove from service all the TCAS, GPWS, TAWS, windshear alert systems, etc that exist

I mean, what were they thinking

 

[ultrarunner]

I know of a jet charter operator that actually removed a seat to avoid a TAWS installation.....


real smart...

 

[AngelKing]

The approach started out unstable and ended the same. They should have taken a turn in holding and crossed the IAF and the correct altitude. IF they'd have done that, we wouldn't even be talking about it.

But geez, headed inbound and down hill, in mountainous terrain, they crossed the IAF 1500 feet about the correct altitude.

Then, they proceeded to cross the threshold AT the IAF altitude. What on earth made them think they could land out of that!?

Does anyone here think they even knew where they were?

This was the type of crap my post was made for, this guy would never have a bad approach, would never make a bad decision, is textbook perfect in everything he does, jeez give me a break.

AK

 

[ultrarunner]

I hear ya. It's easy to armchair. And these accidents do seem predictable. I happened to notice the tenure of the flight crew. They'd flow into that airport in that plane (or it's twin) may times before.

The FO was somewhat new, but had likley also been in there before. An earlier report indicated that the FA was the PF, so maybe there was some "instucting" going on. But she was also reasonably experienced, and this was a pretty generic NP approach.

Discuss the issues and keep awareness, and hopefully none of us here will be reading about each other.

 

[AngelKing]

I hear ya. It's easy to armchair. And these accidents do seem predictable. I happened to notice the tenure of the flight crew. They'd flow into that airport in that plane (or it's twin) may times before.

The FO was somewhat new, but had likley also been in there before. An earlier report indicated that the FA was the PF, so maybe there was some "instucting" going on. But she was also reasonably experienced, and this was a pretty generic NP approach.

Discuss the issues and keep awareness, and hopefully none of us here will be reading about each other.

cheers:beer:

AK

 

[kf4amu]

I got the impression they used the GPS to backup approaches. I have a feeling they relied on it as primary navigation during this approach.

It says in the report their actions were consistent with the unrealization that the GPS had switched over to another waypoint instead of the MAP. That doesnt explain the initial unstablized approach or lack of proper execution of the MA procedure...even thought it was 7 miles past the MAP.

 

[shamrock]

Then, they proceeded to cross the threshold AT the IAF altitude. What on earth made them think they could land out of that!?

Looking at how the the profile they flew parallels but doesn't match the approach profile I'd say it looks like they were one fix off on the approach. Having flown with the Captain of this flight I'm pretty sure he would know that a landing from 1600 feet above the threshold wasn't going to work, so in response to this.....

Does anyone here think they even knew where they were?

....I would say that no, I don't think they knew where they were.