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Myth Busting - Engine Inop Performance

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UndauntedFlyer

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MYTH BUSTING – MULTIENGINE PERFORMANCE WITH AN ENGINE INOP

“THE HIGH DRAG CAUSED BY THE WINGS LEVEL, BALL CENTERED CONFIGURATION CAN REDUCE SINGLE ENGINE CLIMB PERFORMANCE AS MUCH AS 300 FEET PER MINUTE.”

The above statement is simply not true. While it is theoretically correct to say that performance would be enhanced by using some bank and slightly less rudder to correct for an engine that is inoperative, thus eliminating a SLIGHT aerodynamic side slip, actual in-flight tests show no NOTICABLE changes in performance.

Now let’s talk about configuring a twin engine airplane to the much talked about “zero side slip” condition when operating with an engine feathered. This is always a big deal in GA multiengine training manuals and always a subject to be addressed on oral tests for multiengine ratings and multi instructor ratings. This technique is supposed to enhance climb performance when operating with an engine inoperative. Does it? Well the answer is that it does theoretically on paper but in flight the enhancements are impossible to see because they are so slight, if they exist at all. If a person really wants to see enhanced performance they will, but those who give such testimony I believe are affected by a sort of placebo (wishful performance) effect that fools even well intentioned CFI’s. Those people usually see the plane climb 100 to 300 feet per minute better than when configured with the ball centered. The theory goes that with the ball centered and an engine feathered there is a side slip that can be seen with a yaw string taped to the nose ahead of the pilot. And by just letting off on the rudder correction to let the ball slip out just a half a ball width while holding heading with more opposite bank, that that will straighten up the yaw string and all of a sudden the airplane will start climbing better.

I have personally tested this many times, maybe 100 times on typical GA multiengine aircraft. My results of the test are always the same: No noticeable increase in performance. I have even gone out with my yaw string and could find no noticeable displacement in the string when the ball was in the middle or a half ball width displaced as is supposed to improve performance. Time and time again I have tried this and the results are always the same. Of course, when I do this test I actually feather the inoperative engine.

Really though, if you think about it, how could just half a ball width on the inclinometer really have much of an effect on slip stream or on performance? If you use what is well know from your common single engine experiences and think about it, you’ll see that it can’t be true that there is such a bragged about boost. How about this, take any single engine airplane and do the opposite. What I mean is just let the plane go from a ball centered (zero side slip) configuration in the single engine airplane to a half ball width deflection (slight side slip) configuration and does that really make a difference that can be noticed, either on performance or on a yaw string. Certainly not. Oh I’m sure it does make a “DIFFERENCE” but, like the twin, it’s on paper (mostly academic) and not really a noticeable difference. Of course a really huge 2-ball width deflection would increase drag noticeable. But just a half a ball width, give me a break, that’s not enough to notice anything.

It’s interesting to note that the military trained multiengine pilots never hear anything about this GA performance enhancing technique. And no one flying twin engine airline equipment such as the 737, 757, 767 or the 777 ever hear anything about how this technique either.

Actually, this technique is somewhat new to the GA world too. 30-years ago nobody ever heard of it and it was not in any of the FAA books either. Then some how, all of a sudden, this came into print as something new, which it was, and almost everyone embraced it as the gospel, without objectively flight testing it. At that time, to challenge this was blasphemy. It was thought that whoever believed would be safe from danger and would live to be 100-years of age, illness and accident fee. I wanted to believe in it too, but my own flight tests have shown that it’s mostly a performance myth with just a sliver of truth.

So what does all this mean? Just simply this: This much discussed technique of trimming to permit the ball to slip out just a bit when flying with an engine feathered will not hurt anything, but don’t count on it to save your life by producing a noticeable improvement in single engine performance.

Don’t misunderstand me; a person should know all about what is written on this subject in FAA books if they want be successful on their FAA multiengine rating or multiengine CFI tests. And it’s probably NOT a good idea to challenge “zero side slip” for the examiner (unless it’s me), but just keep in mind that this whole thing is mostly an embellishment of a true aerodynamic concept.

Comments/Questions/more myths…..
 
Have you ever tried it in the clouds at 200 feet AGL, from a ball-centered zero climb? I know a guy who swears it makes a noticable difference there ;)
 
I always wondered about this myself. In GA the point was hammered home to never fly s/e with the ball centered. Get hired by a jet airline and the training is completely reversed. I figure it's due to the fact that performance isn't as critical in jets given the amount of excess thrust available.
 
GogglesPisano said:
I always wondered about this myself. In GA the point was hammered home to never fly s/e with the ball centered. Get hired by a jet airline and the training is completely reversed. I figure it's due to the fact that performance isn't as critical in jets given the amount of excess thrust available.
Probably more that the performance isn't as critical in jets given the engine-out climb requirements we are required to have, as opposed to not requiring any single-engine performance for a Part 91 light twin.

In other words, you can legally find yourself in the situation I mentioned in my earlier post in a Part 91 light twin. Not so in a jet, unless you have more than simply an engine failure going on.

Fly safe!

David
 
Your 100+ tests not withstanding, I have my doubts about your assertion. I'm at a hotel and need some reference materials to fully opine but off the top of my head.

1. Light twins are not required to be able to fly on one engine much less climb, thus the old joke about light twins that the second engine allows you to choose the scene of the accident. Whereas transport catagory jets have all kinds of climb gradients they must meet.

2. Jets tend to have spoilers that might deploy if you get too aggressive with the yoke/wing up, degrading climb performance.

3. Light twins have straight wings with a good amount of dihedral whereas jets have swept wings that have nasty tendancies when you start yawing and rolling them around.

4. in military prop training (well, navy prop training) they teach the same thing about wing up and a slightly displace ball. At least I think, it's been 5 years or so and you know that memory is a fickle thing.

I could be wrong about all of the above but when I was instructing in a 4 engine turbo-prop we used to do a demo to show the advantage of the 5 degrees wing up and ball off center, so my experience is different than yours when it comes to 'flight testing' this textbook information.

I would also posit that some low time pilot might inappropriately try to apply some of the 'wisdom' found on this board and get into trouble. As for me, the book answer of wing up and ball out works and since I'm not a test pilot, I doubt I'd be trying wings level, ball centered because someone said it is just as good on a forum.

Anyone else disagree with this 'myth-busting'? We must have some active instructors in light twins that see this scenario all the time.
 
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5 degree myth.

I read a white paper a few years ago that thoroughly debunked the 5 degree myth.

Maximum climb performance was found at 1.5 to around 3 degrees.

The 5 degrees is a certification criteria, not necessarily where best performance is to be obtained. This is important to understand.
 
100LL... Again! said:
The 5 degrees is a certification criteria, not necessarily where best performance is to be obtained. This is important to understand.
True...more bank/slip decreases Vmc. A 5-degree limit is placed on this so that Vmc speeds aren't artificially low. As you said, 1.5-3 degrees yields max performance.

Just as a historical note, I believe they started doing this in P-38's during WWII...the P-38 has counter-rotating props, but they rotate top-outward, instead of top-inward like the Seminoles, Dutchesses, etc. Engine outs were considered a lot more deadly until they started using the bank/slip method.

Fly safe!

David
 
Bank definitely works in the Aztec, can't really say about anything else.
3 or 5 degrees, truly don't know, the attitude indicator is not that accurate.:D
 
Tired Soul said:
Bank definitely works in the Aztec, can't really say about anything else.
3 or 5 degrees, truly don't know, the attitude indicator is not that accurate.:D

Another excellent point.

I tell students that if it don't climb wings level well enough, to get the attitude indicator just slightly dead engine up. That will yield a degree or two.
 
MauleSkinner said:
True...more bank/slip decreases Vmc. A 5-degree limit is placed on this so that Vmc speeds aren't artificially low. As you said, 1.5-3 degrees yields max performance.
Fly safe!

David


i have a pet peeve about this myself. Ive come across some people that insist you must bank 5 degrees, no more no less. I always say to them if you needed to bank less or more to live through the flight would you? Like you said 5 degrees is a limitation placed on the test pilot during certifcation.
 

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