My Future of Airlines

[ARJflyguy]

OK here it goes. If i was in charge
1. DAL NWA CO Along AF and KLM dominate
2 USAir and UA go together and fail go bankrupt
3. Spirt Midwest Airtran
4 ATA Am West Alaska take over west coast
5. Southwest gets A380 and packs in 800 ppl
6. JetBlue surges and then fails
7. American just goes along and tries to survive

Anyone else have any thoughts ?

 

[asarjfo]

Punt

 

[belchfire]

I don't think that the scenario is quite
right...nice, but not right. Rather see
US air succeed than AA ...but what the
heck.

The main problem I see is that good
paying jobs in all sector are being
shipped overseas. Pretty soon noone
will even be able to eat at MckyD's, and
noone will be able to buy made in
frigging China toys for thier kids except
the executives that chose to move all the
US production overseas.

Since unemployment will be around 50%,
the only people that will be able to fly are
the aforementioned execs and some
hollyweird types, and they all have their
own jets.

Sorry, but I think we're all pretty much
hosed...and I fear that it is too late for all
but the most drastic protectionism to bail
us out. And protectionism carries its own
set of terrible evils and is not truly
desirable.

The pursuit of the almight dollar at all levels
of our economy has led us down a slippery
path, but we can do something!

Buy domestic manufacture goods if at all
possible. If you cant afford the domestic
equivalant now, defer the purchase and
save for it.

Avoid products that come from countries
that use prisoners to supplement the
workforce (China comes to mind). If you
have to buy an imported item, try to keep
the money in the western hemisphere...at
least some of the profits might find their
way back here.

 

[greyhound]

UAL

NEXT..

 

[WrightAvia]

My Future of Airlines
OK here it goes. If i was in charge
1. DAL NWA CO Along AF and KLM dominate
2 USAir and UA go together and fail go bankrupt
3. Spirt Midwest Airtran
4 ATA Am West Alaska take over west coast
5. Southwest gets A380 and packs in 800 ppl
6. JetBlue surges and then fails
7. American just goes along and tries to survive

Anyone else have any thoughts ?

Yea, you forgot about the part where FedEx and UPS made money and their pilots didn't have to take concessions. Oooops...that's not in the future. It's now.

 

[avrodriverj85]

I would see it more like this:

** Mainline carriers have pilots on furlough and to save what's left and possibly bring back those on the street - will agree to fly regional jets at a reduced rate.

**ALPA has more lawsuits on their plate for misrepresentation.

** Mesa gets bigger

** Mesaba gets smaller (450 pilots) due to Pinnacle growth and the need to make the 9E IPO more attractive.

** Pro Pilot wannabes coming thru the ranks of ERAU/UND and pro pilot factories drive down salaries even further because CEO's realize that they can get away with further wage concessions because pilots will do anything to "get jet time".

** Kit Darby from AIR Inc. continues to tout an upcoming pilot shortage.

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All pilots at XJ need to send a YES vote on the strike ballot to show mgmt that we mean business.

IF and when a contract comes time to be ratified and IF we are still being threatened with loss of the AVRO, or if it's been announced the Airlink agreeement has been terminated; every XJ FO should vote NO on any contract our MEC brings down the pipe.

No reason to give anything to our ALPA leadership who have done nothing but whipsaw us against one another.

 

[VADriver]

The almighty dollar doesn't care about the long term, integrity, fair play, solid reputation, etc....

The airline future...

Transoceanic goes to foreign ownership.

Domestic flying becomes the SWA/LCC model.

Pilots become common employees. The recognition for hard work to obtain the position of CA/FO and the authority and skill to keep the position are devalued by CEOs, the traveling public and pilots themselves.

Flying the Line Vol 3 becomes the last of the series.

 

[B1900DFO]

"Pilots become common ." I think that has already happened. We seem to be our own worst enemies, always underbidding one another in order to hold on to jobs that are increasingly becoming mediocre at best. Even stranger in my opinion is that so many pilots cheer the demise of the great paying/lifestyle jobs at Ual, Dal, Amr, etc. Doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[FMR_RGNL_PLT]

Right on B1900,

I've heard pilots say, "hey i just want an average to above average salary to fly and i'll be happy".

That would be all well and good if we didn't need to invest in 4 year degree PLUS spend a small fortune to get our ratings PLUS serve 1-2-3 years toiling away as flight instructors/135 pilots, etc, to earn the PRIVELAGE to sit right seat in a regional to make between 15-25 grand a year depending on the employer.

Future docs are the only people i know who put up with similar nonsense, but at least they have as close to a guarantee as you can get that they will obtain the brass ring.

The potential big salary and easy working conditions at the end of the rainbow is why most of us put up with the above mentioned crap!

Good night all...........

 

[VADriver]

Right on B1900,

I've heard pilots say, "hey i just want an average to above average salary to fly and i'll be happy".

Future docs are the only people i know who put up with similar nonsense, but at least they have as close to a guarantee as you can get that they will obtain the brass ring.

The potential big salary and easy working conditions at the end of the rainbow is why most of us put up with the above mentioned crap!

Good night all...........

Doctors are having a hard time with malpractice insurance. Some are quitting and communities are without doctors, but somebody just got a few million dollar settlement.... The gov't is/did discussing passing legislation to prevent outrageous lawsuits....

wait a minute... Maybe the gov't should pass legislation to shield us from the recylcing of employees and wages so we can focus on flight safety and not whether or not we can feed our family.

"Pilots become common ." I think that has already happened. We seem to be our own worst enemies, always underbidding one another in order to hold on to jobs that are increasingly becoming mediocre at best. Even stranger in my opinion is that so many pilots cheer the demise of the great paying/lifestyle jobs at Ual, Dal, Amr, etc. Doesn't make any sense to me.

Again...gov't regulated wages....oops we are too capitalistic for that.... I forgot about allegiance to the almighty dollar

$ Cha-Ching!! $

 

[WrightAvia]

That would be all well and good if we didn't need to invest in 4 year degree PLUS spend a small fortune to get our ratings PLUS serve 1-2-3 years toiling away as flight instructors/135 pilots, etc, to earn the PRIVELAGE to sit right seat in a regional to make between 15-25 grand a year depending on the employer.

And your point is?

 

[Tony Soprano]

You Forgot Mesa

JO buys out everyone and then hires the Illegal aliens that were nabbed in the Walmart busts to fly his planes!!!

I got $100.00 on this.....

Any takers?

 

[greyhound]

Not exactly.......

It's not that some "cheer" for the demise of legacy carriers.
It's the fact that poorly managed airlines and all of their financial problems are the reason good paying jobs are disappearing.
Quick example, Take UA.
If it went away, the remaining major carriers could breathe easier.
Then regionals could negotiate better contracts with healthier companies.
This would also mean more stability since regional airlines' flying would be coming from a better company than UA and all of it's troubles.
However, since UA is only worried about who is cheapest, regionals are competing to be that "cheapest " airline that gets the flying and the airplanes. So in order to survive, they go to their workers who already make cracker jacks, and say, "we need you to work for less money, or else we will loose UA's flying."
Scared pilots say, "O,k." and the race to the bottom continues.
Competition should be about who provides the best service , not who provides the best bargain. But as long as UA is still around, all the majors have to compete with this sick company. The regionals grow and you can kiss good bye to the good flying jobs this country had.
I'll bet that ALL of the airlines would show a profit within months, if UA went away. Then labor groups can put the brakes on the concessions and get on with business as usual.

So I say,
"Let SWA, Alaska, DAL, NWA, AA, Air Tran,and Jet blue grow". Those will be the companies that provide the good jobs that UA is giving to the regionals.

Sorry, survival of the fittest.