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Comair v. other schools

Originally posted by 350DRIVER
I think many are sold on [Comair] because they see the gold waiting for them upon completion of the program, easier said than done though for many. I would be very interested in hearing the actual hard number of people who start this program from nothing and who actually make it to Comair. I assume it is not overly easy since I have met a few in this industry that did the majority of their training at DCA and who never had the opportunity to even get the "promised" interview at Comair for different reasons.
Please bear with me because I've written this story a number of times. I feel it should be repeated in light of the current context.

I interviewed for an instructing job at Comair in 1991. I traveled two-thousand miles on my nickel for this interview. After traveling this distance, my time on the property must have totaled three hours max. Maybe twenty minutes with the Chief Instructor and an hour flight with this older, tired curmudgeon in an older, tired 152. I suspect both were survivors of when the school was known as Airline Aviation Academy.

I remember well how some student was taxiing in with his landing light on. The man I was with saw it and went ballistic. He steps into the taxiway and starts carrying on, "TURN IT OFF!!!!! TURN IT OFF!!!" I was not impressed. Is that how Comair students are always treated?

I was not hired. Ya know how I found out? By silence. I was never sent a rejection letter or even given a phone call. The Chief Instructor surely knew that I had traveled from Prescott, Arizona to attend the interview because he had my resume. Granted, no one likes to receive rejection letters, but not sending one to me, especially after I had traveled a long distance at great expense, was simply rude, inconsiderate, discourteous and unprofessional.

And that's how CAA (DCA) "impressed" me. I realize fully that things can change in thirteen years, but I doubt much has changed in this regard at Comair. My point is a job interview can provide a valuable glimpse into a company's culture. The way I was treated during my interview and thereafter was a complete turn-off to CAA.

I interviewed for an instructing job at FlightSafety in Vero three months later. My experience was far different. I was there for four days. The school rolled out the red carpet for me. It put me up in one of the bungalows on campus. My interview consisted of writtens and a sim on Thursday, a flight and an interview with the Center Manager on Friday, nothing on Saturday, and an interview (and job offer) with the Chief Instructor on Sunday. I was impressed.

I will say, objectively, that in the nearly three years I've been on this board that I've seen far more negative than positive about Comair and very little negative about FSI. I have seen virtually nothing negative about MAPD, below:
I personally recommend the Mesa Airlines Pilot Development program (MAPD) to all those who ask me for advice and guidance, it works and it is proven. It is by far the "quickest" time from 0 hours to the right seat of a airliner, hands down. It is very intense and standardized but if you can make it through, then you are in a very good position upon completion of the program.
I instructed at MAPD in 1993. I second these comments. The program works, but so does Comair for many people. "The interview" at Mesa is not promised. It essentially yours to lose as long as you mind your Ps and Qs, unlike Comair, which seems to be very much of an uphill battle, no matter how compliant you are with the program.
 
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I think many are sold on this program because they see the gold waiting for them upon completion of the program, easier said than done though for many.

I'm virtually certain of that premise. I visited the former "Comair Academy" when I was choosing where I would take my CFI training. It was far more expensive, but on the other hand, with 20/20 hindsight, I'd probably be flying for Comair right now had I found a way to bear the cost and instruct every day. My visit was in the spring of 2000, during sun n fun where I spent the following day.

Good luck with your suit. You will need testimony from students who felt the possibility of an airline career at such-and-such a price was emphasized. Karen never gave me that pitch, but that may be because I had all my ratings but the instructor certs.
 
I had a similar 'unpleasant' experience at Comair Academy (May 01' - June 02'). My story is long and best told over a few beers. What I observed is this, the instructors at CAA are on a power trip and they can and will make you or break you (they broke me $23,000. spent, no additional ratings), the 'management' (Ms Piggy Lips Susan Burrell) don't give a sh** as long as the money keeps flowing, students (customers) are like buses if you miss one another will be along shortly. Comair/Delta Academy is about money, plain and simple, if they turn out a few pilots thats all the better.
 
Sometimes you get what you pay for. I left DCA after my multi rating about 18 months ago. 3 of the people from my original class have airline interviews this month, all with under 1100 hours. I currently have 2800 hours and can't even get an interview anywhere. I did save about 20K on training, however what good does it do for me know.
 
I went to a satellite DCA location from private thru commercial and I will tell you it is NOT cheaper than sanford. The prices are all the same. I finally got smart after commercial and got my CMEL and CFI tickets elsewhere. I believe I made the right choice and I believe a lot of the people that were instructors at DCA and got hired at the regionals will find out later that they missed out on a lot of aviation by going straight from a PA44 to a jet, I mean what else is there after that? It doesnt take a super pilot to be an instructor/new airline hiree at DCA, just a lot of money and a lot of vaseline. Dont cry when your making $20,000 a year with $600 a month student loan payments.
 
jaxpilot said:
I went to a satellite DCA location from private thru commercial and I will tell you it is NOT cheaper than sanford. The prices are all the same. I finally got smart after commercial and got my CMEL and CFI tickets elsewhere. I believe I made the right choice and I believe a lot of the people that were instructors at DCA and got hired at the regionals will find out later that they missed out on a lot of aviation by going straight from a PA44 to a jet, I mean what else is there after that? It doesnt take a super pilot to be an instructor/new airline hiree at DCA, just a lot of money and a lot of vaseline. Dont cry when your making $20,000 a year with $600 a month student loan payments.

JAX may not be cheaper but Broward is indeed. I am not sure how the college makes DCA do it but it is a fact. People don't look around, including yourself... guess who to blame?

Regardless, if you come to any big school and can't figure out things within 2 weeks than:

A) You're are ummm... well... not that very smart and we will see you soon on this and other boards crying a river that you couldn't pass your instrument after 200 hours and now you are ready to sue everyone within a 5 SM of Sanford and "there" dogs.

or

B) You don't care for money, perhaps because you are anywhere from 18 to 22 and paps signed for it anyways so whazzup with 50-60-70k? Thaz a lot or what? The other day I overheard a new student explaining how he went for the max loan but it is ok since he will pay it back on the regional salary within 2 years. Right there I flatlined. Then the conversation moved on how he can't stand studying procedures and flows but overall flying is cool though. Typical 18 years old fresh out of high school, I wasn't any better. Welcome to real life.

But whatever... and also don't cry when you make 20k logging twin time on one engine en-route to the Bahamas trying to figure out which leg is the dead one... this or the other way you will pay. We accept: $, risk, or time or any combination... Take your pick and get in line... or lost.
 
yeah I admit it was my fault. As I said I "got smart" after my commercial. Unfortunately some never do.
 
Question....

I've heard many stories about how DCA will quote say $45K, and the student cost actally end up being $95K (I'm just approximating folks), and that being the average to get done.

So, how many DCA students *do* finish up and only pay $45K? Do they have an accurate, consistant number that they can point to? And are these students that come in with 0 time? Basically I'm just wondering how they justify their numbers based of all the stories that I've heard...
 
my quote in january was $65,000 for 'tuition', plus for living expenses, rent, and various other costs, shot the total up to $85,000. then i heard about mazzei flying service in fresno (www.flymfs.com) and it will be $38,600 for PPL-CFII, housing included (add about $2000 or so for food, car payments, etc). DCA to me is a joke. i wasn't impressed with the students i talked to, the CFI's, or Vern Antrim, my salesm--- i mean my 'admissions counselor'.

there were other older people with me on my tour. one guy just quit his job in Utah, and he and his wife had already put a deposit down for an apartment for them and their 3 kids. this was all before they even visited the school. in fact, their visit coincided with their moving in day. she doesn't have a job, he's not going to work. i hope they make it ok, for their kids' sake...
 
Is DCA an operational entity of Delta/Comair, or is it independent with interview deals for its graduates?
 

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