My Concern if ALPA comes to SkyWest

[gcaflyer]

That is why the alpa vote will fail at skywest. Aren’t there already 100 ex-asa guys at skywest now?

If skywest votes in alpa the risk that they will merge the lists becomes more real. That would hurt skywest pilots the most, since asa pilots are very senior. Skywest would go from a 2-year or 1 year upgrade to 3 or 4 or longer.

Its very selfish for ASA pilots to say "vote for alpa and your qol will go up" they really just want to merge the lists at the expense of the skywest pilots group and are afraid if they don't merge the lists soon then ASA will up with only a few people.

If any of you skywest pilots are reading this. Do EVERYTHING you can to keep alpa out of skywest. If you vote in ALPA all the problems from ASA will spill over. Remember the most junior captain at ASA was hired in 2001 think about your upgrade. Even if you vote alpa in don’t let them merge the lists. It will make the AA, TWA merger look like a picnic.

But, what I think is Skywest and ASA will never merge to 1 list. The skywest pilots don't want it especially the 700 new ones that are/will be hired (who are probably all anti-alpa) and JA and the rest of skywest managment. The only people who want that are those lifers at ASA. Its just not going to happen, even if skywest becomes alpa.

Why can't you just go away? your attacks on the ASA pilot group are baseless and show what a true lack of character you really have!

 

[ASARJMan]

And he (SuperPoop) needs to take a grammar course and learn to write. Either it's that or I've had too many already. And he trashes ALPA yet, supposedly, he hires onto another (after ASA) ALPA carrier, CAL. I think he just a management weeny myself.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[MarineGrunt]

Has anyone else noticed that most of the people "pro-ALPA for SkyWest" people on this forum are NOT employed by SkyWest???

Just an observation...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Has anyone else noticed that most of the people "pro-ALPA for SkyWest" people on this forum are NOT employed by SkyWest???

Just an observation...

MG-

Ever had a guy in your unit that always seemed to be carried by the rest?

 

[MarineGrunt]

MG-

Ever had a guy in your unit that always seemed to be carried by the rest?

Yep. All the time. I see what you're getting at - different ballgame though...

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Yep. All the time. I see what you're getting at - different ballgame though...

Not really...All for one, one for all?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Yep. All the time. I see what you're getting at - different ballgame though...

Nope.. unionized pilots have been carrying SW pilots for years. Time to grab a rope and do some pulling. The SW pilots live in a bubble. Coddled by a gushing and blushing management that loves the non union status.

What is/were the contributions of the SW pilots in.....

• Pension reform
• Age60
• LAHSO
• PIC Authority
• Foreign Control
• FFDO. (if there are any SW FFDO's they can thank ALPA)
• Jumpseating and CASS (another issue solved by ALPA). Also, does SW attend the National Jumpseat Conference?
• International Federation Air Line Pilots Association
• NAS modernization

All of these points effect the SW pilots yet, they have no voice at the table.

 

[MarineGrunt]

Not really...All for one, one for all?

#1- Mission accomplishment
#2- Troop welfare

As I said, different ballgame...


Rez - First of all, thanks for keeping the union/non-union debates civilized. I think it helps you're cause a lot more than these other hot-heads throwing around the "scab" term and constantly bringing up the 50-seat pay issue. You bring up a lot of good points in your post and I absolutely see where you are coming from in those regards. However, if ALPA really wanted to benefit from all those accomplshments, why didn't they push for those benefits to be for ALPA carriers only? I'll bet they would have a lot more support in their drives if that were the case.

 

[bayoubandit]

I don't think it was only ALPA that pushed for the items. CAPA (Coalition of Airline Pilots) worked together to achieve what is beneficial to the industry.

 

[Slippery Mick]

I didn't read all the posts, but...

ALPA will just muddy everything. Keep them out.

ALPA's greatest fraud is in convincing everyone that they are job insurance. Their second greatest fraud is convincing the regional pilots that ALPA represents them.

Skywest would do better to form their own union if they want better representation.

 

[Terrain Terrain]

ALPA will burn SW to the ground. People are more or less happy at skywest, and there is no need for ALPA to come in. Sure it would be nice to get a raise for the 90 seaters (even though we only have 70 seats in them), but I only see ALPA running a wedge between mngt, and the pilots.

The people that want the union at skywest, for the most part have not worked at a ALPA airline, or under a ALPA contract. The people at skywest that have worked with ALPA, for the mostpart dont want ALPA.

I was once represented from ALPA, and am very happy with out them running around skywest. It would be the begining of the end, if they made it to skywest. I know it sounds crazy, but things will start to get WORSE if alpa comes to skywest. I know that I could look 10 years ahead, one with alpa and one without, you would be worse off with ALPA.

I mean really, ask yourself this question.


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WHAT REGIONAL WITH ALPA IS DOING GOOD?


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[Rez O. Lewshun]

really [/I]wanted to benefit from all those accomplshments, why didn't they push for those benefits to be for ALPA carriers only? I'll bet they would have a lot more support in their drives if that were the case.

Why?

First, what all of those bulleted items are is in the Federal Code. The APA, NPA, SWAPA, IPA, etc are political organizations. These unions realize they must be heard on CapHill so they've formed CAPA. ALPA is the only national union that has been a repsected player on CapHill for 75 years. ALPA was designed to influence legislation in its favor.

In fact, the Air Transport Association was created in part to combat ALPA's effectiveness on CapHill. The ATA is managements political operative.

Right now SW and jB pilots have zero voice in the legislation and code that effects thier careers. Everyday SW and jB pilots operate under federal codes that significantly effect thier short and long term careers. Yet they have no say whatsoever.....

I'm not sure of the benefit or fairness from the gov't if ALPA changed Age60 or other Codes to effect its members only.

Unions can negotiate contracts to provide for better work rules than the FARs.

Consider this.. when Skywest management determines their pilots work rules do you think they look at negotiated labor contracts? If you say yes, then SW pilots benefit from ALPA and the Teamsters. If you say no, then.............

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

ALPA will burn SW to the ground. People are more or less happy at skywest, and there is no need for ALPA to come in. Sure it would be nice to get a raise for the 90 seaters (even though we only have 70 seats in them), but I only see ALPA running a wedge between mngt, and the pilots.

The people that want the union at skywest, for the most part have not worked at a ALPA airline, or under a ALPA contract. The people at skywest that have worked with ALPA, for the mostpart dont want ALPA.

I was once represented from ALPA, and am very happy with out them running around skywest. It would be the begining of the end, if they made it to skywest. I know it sounds crazy, but things will start to get WORSE if alpa comes to skywest. I know that I could look 10 years ahead, one with alpa and one without, you would be worse off with ALPA.

I mean really, ask yourself this question.


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WHAT REGIONAL WITH ALPA IS DOING GOOD?


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Your post is superfical opinion with no real substance.

Can you tell us why?

Why will SW be worse with ALPA?

How will ALPA "burn" SW to the ground?

How does ALPA effect whether a regional is doing good?

All regionals are connected to Legacy Carriers. Could that be a connection as to why regionals are doing poorly?

I am not saying you are wrong, but I don't see rational reasoning here to conclude that what you are saying is logical.

IOW convince me....

 

[thebest]

My main concern if SkyWest goes with ALPA is the cost. In addition to 2% of my paycheck (now nearly $1000 a year), I'm concerned that ole Brad will try to take away Performance rewards (for most pilots... 1000 to 3000 per year). Furthermore, I think we'll lose pay for wx/mx cancellations amongst other things.

In return, what is ALPA going to do for me? The FO that called telling me to send in the card the other day mentioned that they'll pay us if we go on strike - just like the paid comair pilots for 49 days. What's ALPA doing for COMAIR guys now? Looks like they're gonna be gone soon...

Lastly, what's YOUR vote going to be? ALPA or No?

alpa pays you, but don't plan on keeping your house if the strike last toooo long! THEBEST

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Ok Rez, I am pro-ALPA and not a Skywest pilot....but you need some corrections.

CASS implementation was not solved by ALPA alone. Not in the least. The combination of the APA, IPA, and ALPA all helped get CASS going. Many of the people that headed the CASS push would be offended and would disagree that ALPA "solved" CASS.

And Skywest is very much involved nationally with all the other jumpseat coordinators. And they were well represented at last years jumpseat confrence. Many, many, many union and non-union carriers attend.

Agreed!

To respond to the last para....

ALPA because of its size pretty much runs the jumpseat show.... with all intrested parties involved.

And lets not forget that ALPA saved on line jumpseating right after 9/11 when all intrested parties were ready to ban it forever....

 

[~~~^~~~]

If ALPA's certification effort at SkyWest fails, it is my opinion that SkyWest Pilots will no longer be able to enjoy the benefit of having the ALPA bogeyman to scare management into being so nice.

Like the boy that called wolf too many times, SkyWest management and ALPA will both know where the SkyWest pilots stand.

Other airlines will also know and will react to preserve their jobs. All this equals no more free ride off the battles other pilots fight to promote this profession.

Read this board about the ASA Status Rep elections. A team has already formed to use our contract to negotiate job protections for ASA pilots. Things will change as a result of the SkyWest vote. Which direction they go has a lot to do with you.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

My main concern if SkyWest goes with ALPA is the cost. In addition to 2% of my paycheck (now nearly $1000 a year), I'm concerned that ole Brad will try to take away Performance rewards (for most pilots... 1000 to 3000 per year). Furthermore, I think we'll lose pay for wx/mx cancellations amongst other things.

In return, what is ALPA going to do for me? The FO that called telling me to send in the card the other day mentioned that they'll pay us if we go on strike - just like the paid comair pilots for 49 days. What's ALPA doing for COMAIR guys now? Looks like they're gonna be gone soon...

Lastly, what's YOUR vote going to be? ALPA or No?

I would be more worried about getting ACARS to take away your performance rewards than ALPA.

 

[sweptback]

I would be more worried about getting ACARS to take away your performance rewards than ALPA.

What performance rewards?

 

[embdrvr]

My main concern if SkyWest goes with ALPA is the cost. In addition to 2% of my paycheck (now nearly $1000 a year), I'm concerned that ole Brad will try to take away Performance rewards (for most pilots... 1000 to 3000 per year). Furthermore, I think we'll lose pay for wx/mx cancellations amongst other things.

Try nmb.gov for some answers.
Taking away the profit sharing bonus to retaliate is agains the law. Smart guys in SGU. They won't try something that boneheaded.

IBT vs North American case has nothing in common with SKYW. North American had to demonstrate financial distress, hardly the case at SKYW.

Some management puke or SAPA wannabe CP give that to you to share? Tell the truth now.

 

[Lopaka]

You'll get a magazine.