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You may be able to get away with it and pat yourself on the back when light and close to sea level. Most of my multi engine flying in light twins has been into airports that were at or above the single engine service ceiling for the airplane in question. In most cases, all the surrounding terrain is well above the single engine service ceiling. If the airplane is heavy or has any significant load on at all, forget going around.

This is very much the same reason that we still teach students to be prepared to pull the good engine back when they lose one on takeoff or climbout.

Considering a common density altitude for the fields I fly in the neighborhood of 10,000', it's a cinch that very few part 23 multi's are going to make that grade. Going around becomes a fools errand. You can get away with all kinds of garbage and bad habits at sea level and when light. Put the airplane where it really counts, and it's a different story.

Regardless, consider the situation. There are some very limited applications for a single engine go-around, but very few. In most all cases, I'l be landing on the grass adjacent to the runway, landing on the taxiway or ramp (if available), or doing what I feel is most appropriate at the time.

What caused the engine to fail? What about the other engine? You have an unairworthy airplane in a critical configuration, and you're going to take it around, when you have the chance to get it on the ground? Schoolbus on the runway? Land past it. Land next to it. Do something.

How many here would be for taking it around with one engine on fire? Pilots panic where fire is concerned; gotta get on the ground right now, even if it's in the middle of a field or forest. That much appears clear to them. The logic of taking it around burning is clear. The logic of taking around an airplane with marginal performance, maneuvering close to the ground with possible objects and terrain, seems more nebulous, and therein lies the danger. Much like a turnback to the runway after an engine failure, it's one of those enticing things that can get somebody killed.

"To blanketly say to not do a SE go around or SE missed approach is dumb a** idea and is stupid . and can possibly get you and others killed"

Actually, my advice is very conservative. To advocate going missed or going around single engine in a light multi engine Part 23 airplane, more aptly fits your own description. It can be done, certainly, every bit as much as flying under powerlines or maneuvering inside a tight canyon. The reasons are extremely few, and the potential for error or disaster so high, that generally speaking, one is best advised to discount any notion of going around single engine.

What are the requirements set forth for going around single engine in a Part 23 twin?
 
Single-engine ops

I agree with Avbug. I saw it from two perspectives as an experienced Seminole driver. At ERAU, which was something like 5280' MSL to begin with, we'd pull engines at something like 9000' MSL. The sink rate of the airplane with one gone was palpable. Of course, with full throttle, we were pulling something like 20-21" Hg max. So, clearly, the engine wasn't putting out full power.

Compare that to flying the same equipment in Vero, with a field elevation of sea level. We'd practice single-engine at 4000 MSL and had a little performance. I remember the Chief Pilot standardizing me and telling me to set power at 25-square. The airplane cruised along nicely. Being used to Prescott, it blew my mind. However, how would I know that I would get enough climb to clear the proverbial 50' obstacle?

Better to be safe than sorry. Opinions differ on whether to declare in a Part 23 light twin with an engine inop. I think I would, and would land.
 
Make this answer simple. You loose an engine, Delcare and emergency. You hit the DH and don't have your associated "runway enviornment in sight" you can deviate from any FAR. If i was in a light twin IMC single engine on an ILS and didnt have the runway in sight on the ILS at the DH, i would drop another 50 to 100 ft ready to do anything to get on that runway.
 
In actual IMC in a light twin with an engine inop a go-around is NOT an option. Land the aircraft.


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avbug is on the money as always
 
A Jet Perspective.

I fly a 3-Engine Falcon 50. This airplane will climb with one engine inop...no problem. It will also usually climb, barely, with two engines inop.

On approach with one engine out, a Go-Around at 200' AGL is no problem. With two engines out, even on the best day, forget about it. In fact below about 1000' AGL, it would be real difficult to turn that descent around to a climb. So, I guess you could say our SEGA would typically be 1000' AGL.

Realistically, we are landing, we would be on an emergency and there would be almost no reason in the world that we would even have to consider a go around. If wx was crappy we'd probally fly somewhere where it isn't so crappy, if that was an option. If another airplane became disabled on the runway, I'd go ahead and probally put it down on the parallel taxiway if I had to.

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How about: Unsafe gear indication, HSI/CDI failure during approach, not aligned with runway on break-out, proverbial school bus blocking runway, or weather going to 0/0 during approach?

1. Gear goes down at the OM. If I dont get three green then I dont continue the approach. In addition, I was taught if you lose an engine to test your sole hydraulic pump by placing the gear in the up position and let the handle reset prior to the approach.

2. HSI/CDI failure? Go to the backup.

3. Not aligned? Taxi or sod.

4. Bus? What is a school bus doing on 28L?

5. o/o. If there is any chance of it going 0/0 then you shoot your approach somewhere else.

But what do I know?
 

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