Mulit Time

[No Delay]

I have a question about multi time.

I used to own a twin cessna (a family member helped me buy it). I found an instructor and started flying it. After a few lessons, the instructor signed me off to solo the airplane. He told me to get some time in it, come back and we would finish up our training.

I started flying a good bit...

Then life got busy...when I had the time I didn't have the money, when I had the money I didn't have the time. Wife, kids, everything else in life.....I never go around to finishing up my multi rating. It was a C-320 and I was having trouble finding an examiner who could do a ride in it. I was going to have to go somewhere and rent and train in someone else's plane to get finished up. At the time, that was a real hassle.

I had the airplane about a year and had to sell it for financial reasons. I ended up putting about 120 hours on the airplane. That was about 3 years ago.

I have since completed my Multi Comm Inst. I am a little concerned with putting this time on my resume. I have read the regs and it is legal time. Multi time is so hard to get and I don't want to just throw that time out but I also do not want to throw up any red flags.

How much will a regional dig into this? Will they look at when I actually got my rating verses when I was logging that time.

61.51(e) a pilot may log PIC time for that flight time during which that person (ii) is the sole occupant of the aircraft.

61.31(d) Aircraft Cat, Class, and Type: To serve as PIC, a person must (3) have received training required by this part that is appropriate to that aircraft cat, class, and type (if type is required) and have received the required endorsements for solo flight in that aircraft.

What do you guys think?

 

[Dash8]

business up front, party out back!

sorry, couldn't resist

but legalese is always up to interpretation,
IF they actually checked dates in your logbook, you could always give your definition as you see it of those regs

but, i can't remember cause its been a real long time since i did any instructing, but the solo sign off is time limited isn't it? in which case you would have been violating the sign off if you went beyond the time frame.
but like i said, i'm super rusty on instruction/sign off stuff cause its been awhile

 

[Timebuilder]

Legal time, yes.

I would get some recent experience before I'd consider taking another step toward a regional. Once you re-establish yourself as a multi pilot with your multi ticket, there is no reason to not put this on the resume.

Oh, and I was tempted to bust your chops by asking if "mulit time" was anything like "mullet time."

 

[Typhoon1244]

"Mulit time." That's the best laugh I've had today.

 

[nosehair]

solo endorsements

It is time limited for student pilots. That is, pilots with a student certificate only. If you have a private or better with ASEL, then a solo endorsement for another class or category is not time limited.

 

[rubberducky]

...After a few lessons, the instructor signed me off to solo the airplane...

...I had the airplane about a year and had to sell it for financial reasons. I ended up putting about 120 hours on the airplane. That was about 3 years ago.

...I have since completed my Multi Comm Inst.

Just a quick question, did the instructor give you a solo endorsement every 90 days? I know it sounds petty but during my interview they sent an applicant home that was missing endorsements.



Just my .02

 

[Timebuilder]

Those are good points to consider.

Make sure the flying and the regs for solo flight experience are all lined up without question.

 

[No Delay]

Update

One of my student's had a checkride today. I had a chance to sit and discuss this with the examiner. He said it was perfectly legal and that he has seen it a few times before (with people who owned their own plane).

I had the solo endorsement, high performance, and complex sign off. I was under the same thinking as "NoseHair" - that a student pilot solo endorsement was time limited....

Anyone else have an input on this?

 

[U-I pilot]

The solo endorsement has the 90 day limit....if it was expired, how is this any different than any non-multi rated pilot flying a multi? Its seems so not legal. How can you legally PIC the airplane (solo flight) with no current solo endorsement and no rating? I'll be surprised if anyone can show me a reg allowing this.....

 

[rubberducky]

It is time limited for student pilots. That is, pilots with a student certificate only. If you have a private or better with ASEL, then a solo endorsement for another class or category is not time limited.

How could this be true? Why would anyone ever go for their respective check ride? In other words you’re saying that it is like a tailwheel endorsement/high performance/complex signoff, that is to say one time only?



I listed the Advisory Circular below for signoffs, and while I agree that student pilots are specifically limited to 90 days, I can't find the time limit for the below endorsement. Any suggestions?



§ 61.31 Type rating requirements, additional training, and authorization requirements.
…(d) Aircraft category, class, and type ratings: Limitations on operating an aircraft as the pilot in command. To serve as the pilot in command of an aircraft, a person must—

(1) Hold the appropriate category, class, and type rating (if a class rating and type rating are required) for the aircraft to be flown;

(2) Be receiving training for the purpose of obtaining an additional pilot certificate and rating that are appropriate to that aircraft, and be under the supervision of an authorized instructor; or

(3) Have received training required by this part that is appropriate to the aircraft category, class, and type rating (if a class or type rating is required) for the aircraft to be flown, and have received the required endorsements from an instructor who is authorized to provide the required endorsements for solo flight in that aircraft…


Subject: CERTIFICATION: PILOTS AND

FLIGHT AND GROUND INSTRUCTORS

Date: 9/20/99

Initiated By: AFS-800

AC No: 61-65D

Change:

1. PURPOSE. This advisory circular (AC) provides guidance for pilots, flight instructors, ground

instructors, and examiners on the certification standards, knowledge test procedures, and other requirements

testing


…35. To act as PIC of an aircraft in solo operations when the pilot who does not hold an appropriate

category/class rating: § 61.31(d)(3)

I certify that (First name, MI, Last name) has received the training as required by § 61.31(d)(3) to serve as a

PIC in a (category and class of aircraft). I have determined that he/she is prepared to serve as PIC in that

(make and model of aircraft).

S/S [date] J.J. Jones 987654321CFI Exp. 12-31-00…

 

[No Delay]

In other words you’re saying that it is like a tailwheel endorsement/high performance/complex signoff, that is to say one time only?

That is the assumption I made.....the requirements to solo an aircraft you are not rated in is in the same place as the complex, high perform, and tailwheel.

I am not saying I am right....I am asking.

 

[FracCapt]

How could this be true? Why would anyone ever go for their respective check ride? In other words you’re saying that it is like a tailwheel endorsement/high performance/complex signoff, that is to say one time only?

Once you obtain a pilot certificate, you are never again considered a student pilot. When you train in another category/class, you then get a PIC signoff in that cat/class/make&model. This allows you to act as PIC(meaning fly solo). There is no time limit on this signoff. If, however, you decide not to ever go for a checkride....you are limited to that make&model, any limitations along with your signoff(such as wind, ceiling, vis, etc), and cannot carry passengers.

 

[wingnutt]

"Mulit time." That's the best laugh I've had today.

...agreed

 

[JeffSKDTW]

Although a solo endorsement for another category/class is not time limited for an already certificated pilot, this does not mean that a CFI can not impose an expiration date on her endorsement. That is, the CFI is free to set any limitations on their endorsement, including winds, ceilings, distances, and expiration dates, if they choose. However, it seems you'd be crazy ~not~ to.