Mountain AIr Cargo

[airspeed]

Got an interview next week. They are flying F27s from Brazil to Argentinia. Can anyone tell me about them, the job, and the interview. Thanks alot.

 

[Cardinal]

Hells bells. Is this the same company that was hiring 500 hour pilots in 1999? Now you've got to have 5000 hours of F-14 time to get an interview? Perhaps I should just take my bat and ball and go home...

 

[wingnutt]

cardinal brings up a good point...with 5,000 hours (and obviously a bunch of military time) why in the hell are you looking for a lowly feeder job out of country???

 

[spitfiremk8]

Because there are soooo many "great" positions out there just for grabs!

 

[Coffee]

MAC EOE Form

I recieved the EOE form today has any one else received one and does it mean anything? ...ie what is your gender, and what is your ethinic background?

 

[flydoc]

I just received one of the EOE forms also. I think they are required to send them out based on their EOE status. I plan on asking a MAC employee later today. (I have one of my pick-ups at their cargo ramp.) I'll let you know

 

[wingnutt]

Because there are soooo many "great" positions out there just for grabs!

yes, but look at the last two posters...thats the kind of background one expects to see applying to a feeder. ie; ~2,000 hours, possibly an ATP, and maybe some twin recip time...not a 5,000+ hour military pilot

 

[airspeed]

Just looked like ti would be fun to fly something big, thats all.

 

[slickmagneto]

Who cares if it's something big. Bottom lines is how much does it pay? Are they hiring street captains?

 

[BaronFR8Dog]

I got that EOE form from MAC and immediately figured white males need not apply. Someone told me that they are on a big minority/female push right now. This should be ILLEGAL!

 

[tacojet]

I heard that Mountain Air was buying our (COEX) old ATR-42-320's to replace the F27's. Any Mounain Air people have any info? Just curious, that big ol' cargo door and escape hatch in the cockpit roof make it a perfect freight dogger. You'd most likely bulk that thing out before you went overgross.

TJ

 

[Airpiraterob]

its true

FedEx is buying the ATR-42 and 72 ...yes the 72...for gradual replacement of the F27's. This is going to happen with MAC and Empire first then others later if they need this sort of utility. For example, Wiggins in the northeast "might" get a 72 to replace 3 caravans. it depends on if they really need that or not. they gain one less engine to worry about and one less pilot to worry about. remains to be seen if its true or not. we shall find out when it happens i guess.

anyone with contradictory info? things could have changed in the last few months since i heard this. that 72 is big.

 

[upndsky]

I fly into Kinston (ISO), NC on occassion, which is where MAC has their maintenance operations. In the past few months, there have been a number of ex-Coex ATR-42s parked on the ramp, although I have yet to see a 72 or see an ATR painted in FedEx colors. Also, FedEx officially announced buying the ATRs a few months ago, so this is most definitely not a rumor.

 

[tacojet]

Thanks for the info.

Those are good old sleds, they sure took a licking and kept on ticking.

 

[wingnutt]

...question for the gurus, whats the MTOW of the 42/72? it would seem to me that the 72 is overkill, dosent the FedEx scope disallow feeders hauling more than 9,999 pounds, unless its hauled be a FedEx crew...or is it only UPS that has such a clause???

 

[WrightAvia]

I have never heard anything about a scope clause at the fedex feeder level...doesn't mean it don't exist, just means I haven't heard of it.

Here is a link to the fedex press release on atr 42 and 72 aircraft. To tell you the truth, I doubt any of the fed ex guys want to come down to flying turboprops again, making turboprop wages and flying outside of their own system.

Our industry is similar to the the passenger airline industry...and it's not cost effective for fedex to pay their line pilots, line pilot wages to fly an ATR turboprop plane from mke to cwa putting 1 hour on hobbs and let them sit in a hotel all day and then fly back 1 hour on the hobbs in the evening.

They tried to say they it would be profitable at USAirways to have furloughed mainline guys flying the CRJ's at the USAirways Express operators making their old MAINLINE wages on whatever equipment it was they were flying back at the MAINLINE. It didn't work did it. Those pilots took major wage concessions to fly those RJs.

Here is that link...

http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin.../www/bw/fedex-ex/footer-test.shtml&grabfont=1

 

[WrightAvia]

Incase you missed it in the press releas

Here is a link to the Cargo Conversion page of ATR's website.

Looks like the the payload of the 42 sized ATR cargo plane exceeds 9,999 pounds, much less the 72.


http://www.atraircraft.com/assetcargo.htm

 

[wingnutt]

well, i guess "scope" was the wrong word, lol.

anywhoo, i guess its kinda moot, as the F27 has been in use for quite some time. i was just wondering if there were a limit to the weight a feeder can carry, as UPS has.

 

[WrightAvia]

That's actually a good question. I can ask around at work but then everybody in management will think somethings up. If I can find out I'll let you know.

Maybe you could post your question on the majors section and get one of the FEDEX guys that is in the know to tell you. As FEDEX contractors we just manage and fly planes that FEDEX owns. Whether or not there is limits, I don't know.

Good question though.

 

[SF3CA]

Just looked it up in the contract. Aircraft over 60,000 lbs mtogw are to be flown by Fed Ex pilots. I did not see anything about the amount of cargo that could be moved. Also nothing about props or jet equiptment. I know there are exceptions to this for emergency charters and other things.

How much does the ATR 72 weigh? I think the ATR 42 is about 40,000 lbs. I had heard that the loads were terrible in the south cone (Brazil) and that an F27 was taking over the 727 run.

SF3CA

 

[wingnutt]

thanks SF#...NOW were getting somewhere. so whats the 72 weigh, anyone? ...then again, as long as the a/c is less than 60, i guess it dosent matter.

kinda strange that UPS has a limit on pounds, i may hafta go check and make sure of that...

 

[Paladin]

From the info I have...

The maximum TO weight for the ATR42-320 (COEX's old ATRs are -320s) is 36,825lbs.

I'm not sure which model ATR72 FedEx is looking at, but I'd assume it would be the older -200 series as opposed to the newer -500. The maximum TO weight for the ATR72-202 is 48,501. Assuming this info is correct (its straight from the FAA ) than all ATR models fall within the range of the 'clause'.

A personal note...as a former COEX employee who had flown on a TON of their ATRs all over TX, LA and MS, I'm really looking forward to seeing them in FedEx colors...since FedEx is my present employer.

Cheers

 

[mckpickle]

From the info I have...

The maximum TO weight for the ATR42-320 (COEX's old ATRs are -320s) is 36,825lbs.

I'm not sure which model ATR72 FedEx is looking at, but I'd assume it would be the older -200 series as opposed to the newer -500. The maximum TO weight for the ATR72-202 is 48,501. Assuming this info is correct (its straight from the FAA ) than all ATR models fall within the range of the 'clause'.

A personal note...as a former COEX employee who had flown on a TON of their ATRs all over TX, LA and MS, I'm really looking forward to seeing them in FedEx colors...since FedEx is my present employer.

Cheers

You guys are getting some good ships. Let me know what tail Numbers you've got and I'll tell you the quirks of each one! They certainly did have a personality!

Just some info.

The 42's are 320 series. MTOW is 37,258 MGLW 36160. The Max take off was bumped up in 97/98 from 36,825. PW 121 engines. 1900SHP with a reserve of 2100. This was at 92.5 %TQ and 100%TQ respectively. But if you firewalled the power levers the TQ could go up to 125% and the things would SCREAM!!!!! Basically if you can fit it in the doors it would get off the ground. Even single engine with a full load (saw it one day!!) Non event, need a lot of rudder though.

The 72 MTOW is 47,400 and Landing I think is 47,000. If I remember 2450SHP and 2700SHP @RTO. This one has the "simitar" blades. At least the ones we had did. They were 72-212 models. There is also a 215...I think, and that had slightly diferent power managment system. Heavy plane and if you try to land it like the 42 it'll eat your lunch. Or drag the Tail!!! The 42 you could pull the power to idle at 100 feet and flare it in. Please don't try it in the 72. When the 72's 16 ft diameter blades stop making thrust they make a LOT of drag!

I miss that old girl. I'd trade in my Brazilian crap tube for one of those girls any day. Let me know if you have any more question.

 

[chperplt]

Anyone have pay and base info for these guys? Do they hire street captains?

Thanks

 

[Paladin]

To my knowledge, the two airlines that will be initially operating the ATRs are Mountain Air Cargo and Empire Airlines.
MAC's web site is www.airt.net
Empire's is www.empireair.com
Cheers

 

[mckpickle]

Anyone have the phone # for Mountain Air?

 

[Paladin]

The most up to date phone number I have for them is 704-377-2109...If this doesn't work, I'll see if I can conjure up another/newer one since I'll be spending most of the week about 15 miles from thier HQ...their number may be in the Charlotte phone book.
Cheers

 

[FlightTraker]

Is the only way to apply to MAC online? or do they take resumes by fax, mail etc?