Most valuable type rating?

[ClassG]

If you had the chance to choose a type rating, and someone offered to pay for it, which one would it be?

Actually, what would be your top five choices?

The reason I ask, is that my state's Work Investment Act funds may assist me in getting typed, but I need to have a job offer first. There are a large number of operators in my region. I plan to contact them with this information, and see if any will bite. I don't want to waste time or effort contacting operators of aircraft types that few others are hiring into. As a long term plan, I would want to get typed in an aircraft with strong future hiring prospects.

Any help appreciated.

Thanks.

 

[InHot]

Type rating

I used the WIA for a Ce500 type. As someone wrote when I asked the same question: "You can't swing a dead cat on most FBO ramps without hitting a Citation 500 series jet."

That said, if you have to arrange the job first, it will have to be the type jet your future boss operates.

Good luck

 

[PilotoHalcon]

I used WIA and got a LR35 type. It lets you fly the 20 series, 30 series and the 55. Course I have yet to find a job flying a Lear. Maybe when I get back... I called Flight Crews International and they said they could use C600 series pilots followed up by the Gulfstream. But they may be a bit more then WIA will pay for. And for some reason the Lear will cost more then B737. Go figure. Hope this helps.
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By the way, did you know your picture is inverted?

 

[jetpilotjay]

This WIA thing sounds pretty good. What state is this in. Just for my .02, I think the citation or lears would be the best type. I fly only part 91 into alot of fbo's, that tends to be the majority corporate aircraft. Good Luck

 

[Please Hire Me]

Sounds like a pretty schweet program. How many bones ($) do they caugh up for ya? Does WIA pay for some/most/all of it??? Do they have this in Wisconsin?

 

[slide33]

What help can those of us lower on the rating-totum pole try for?

I've already been shot down by the VA for help getting my post-PPL ratings.

Any recomended "student loan" programs, etc?

 

[wingnutt]

I've already been shot down by the VA for help getting my post-PPL ratings.

ive got a bit of experience with the VA, can i ask why you were shot down? thats how i got 75% of my training paid for is the only reason i ask...

...and more info of this WIA thing would be cool, im in the dark on this one

 

[bobbysamd]

Best type rating

The analysis to apply is which type would be most valuable in helping you meet your goals. The answer will be different for everyone. You also have to bear in mind that a type in and of itself won't do you much good for most jobs unless you have or are assured of getting time in type.

Maybe someone has been flying Lears and would qualify for a Citation job but for the type rating. So, that person should see Mike Pappas for the Citation.

Having said that, it seems that most discussion centers around a 737 type because of the Southwest requirement. I am sure that other companies like it, too, so a 737 might be worth considering.

The WIA is federal program, so each state has its version. E.g this link is to the Colorado WIA program. I found it by running "Colorado WIA" in my browser. Try the same for your state and see what comes up.

Hope that helps a little more. Good luck with your type training.

 

[350DRIVER]

What type rating is best.?? Any type rating that would make you more marketable and valuable I would consider "good". It really depends on the current market in your region as well and probably most importantly is what the 135 operator or 91 outfit is in need of. The biggest problem I can see is that most of the larger 135 operators and "larger" more well off companies (91 flight departments especially) don't think twice about the "cost" of training the flight crew since with all due respect if they didn't have the money to send you to school and type you then they probably shouldn't have brand new G-V's. The Simon Company in IND is a pretty good example. Would having a G-V type help you gain employment there.?? I would almost bet my life on it that it wouldn't. They don't even have any first officers, ALL pilots are captain/co-captain and I believe A L L are typed right from the start. I use to fly for a company that flew a few of there executives back and forth one or twice a week to IND and the stories about the "flight department" were quite amazing to say the least. We were REQUIRED to call Raytheon on more than one occasion on the decent into IND and they had to call the Simon hangar and make extra sure that we were "allowed" to drop there pax off at there hangar since IF there was a G-V trip goin out then we were not allowed to pull up in a King Air on there ramp- go figure....

Don't get me wrong, I do think a type rating would look nice on a resume and may help you to a certain extent however I would not count on it to be your "magic ticket" to employment especially in today's industry. Even with a type rating also look into what most insurance companies are requiring with regards to "prior" flight time and experience in that specific aircraft.

Do some research and look at what equipment is in demand and short on crews in your area then speak to the director of ops / and or chief pilot and run it by him and get some feedback prior to doing this.

Also keep in mind that many flight departments have inhouse authorization to give type rides so this cuts down quite abit with regards to "cost"...


If I was in your position then I would latch on to some operator and let them pay for your "initial" type and get a 37 type or something that may help you out down the line a few years from now.

G o o d L U C K

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[slide33]

Wingnutt

Here's the deal. I got an Air Force ROTC scholarship (3yr) for college. This was several years ago, so I can't remember all the paper I filled out -

but I believe I declined the GI Bill b/c "why would I pay money into the GIB when I've got a college scholarship?" I was ignorant to what the GI Bill could be used for. I thought it was only for college.

I may appeal and try and convince the VA I wasn't explained the rules......but I doubt it works. Worth a shot anyway.

By the way, I'm currently Active Duty with 2.5 yrs in. If you've got any advice I'd love to hear it.

 

[wingnutt]

since were on the subject of type ratings...would a "citation" type clear you for all models of citations, or is it model specific? ie; CJ1, CJ2, 500, etc. etc.

slide...well, i see what you mean now. unfortunately, when you decline anything within the government entity, its about impossible to undo the denial

 

[ksu_aviator]

Citaitons are kinda tricky. But, a 500 rating will get you into the I, II, CJ, CJ2, V and V Ultra I believe (may be able to throw the Bravo in there two). The 650 gets you the III, VI, and VII and the 750 gets you the X.

 

[501261]

I posted this a few months ago

Just to clarify here's the different Citation type ratings and what you can fly with them:

TYPE RATING: CE500
C500: Citation 500, Citation I
C501: Citation ISP
C550: Citation II, SII, Bravo
C551: Citation IISP
C560: Citation V, Ultra, Encore

TYPE RATING: C525 (S)
C525: CitationJet, CJ1
C525A: CJ2

TYPE RATING: C56XL
C56X: Citation Excel

TYPE RATING: C650
C650 Citation III, VI, VII

TYPE RATING: C750
C750 Citation X

Additionally, if you have a CE500 type rating you are allowed to fly a C501, C551 or a C500 with Shannon or Sierra mods, SINGLE PILOT. These AIRPLANES are certified for single pilot operations.

You can also fly a C500, C550 or C560 Single Pilot if the Pilot gets a SINGLE PILOT WAIVER (actually goes on your license). This waiver is good for 1 year and is very hard to get. FS usually charge an extra $10,000 to get this waiver on top of the usual $12,000 recurrent.

Or you can buy a $100,000 Service Bulletin (SB11-4) that will turn any model C500 or C550 into a C501 or C551, allowing it to be flown SP with a CE500 Type. There is also a SB that turns a C501 or C551 back into a 2 pilot airplane C500 or C550.

With the Citation Jet Series (C525's) there are actually two differnent Type Ratings. There is a C525 type and a C525S type. The C525S lets you fly the CJ Single Pilot.

 

[501261]

This question was also posted on the corporate board and there are some good comments regarding business jet types http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12353


PS KSU_aviator the CJ (C525) is a seperate type from the C500

 

[traveller]

I found this on the web, they want you to be type rated and pay for training. If you could get WIA to do it, you should be in good shape:

Date: 03 October 2002
Position: First Officer
Position: First Officers
Aircraft Types: Lear Jet 24/25, HS125
Company Name: American Support Group
Contact Person: Otto Vellinga
Street Address: c/o De Skries 60
City: Bolsward
State/Province: Not Listed
Country: Netherlands
Web address: http://www asg-jet.com
Email address: [email protected]
Fax number: ++31 515 577462
Send Resume By: Website
Job Description: By mid January 2003 we will have openings again for First Officers Lear Jet. Company is a part 135 charter company operating 37 aircraft. Operation is in the US and we fly passengers, cargo and air ambulance all over the US, Canada, Mexico and Latin America. As pilots have to pay for their own training, low time pilots will have the most benefit of these positions to gain jet experience in an employment environment. Pilots can fly with the company till they have a job elsewhere or meet the qualifications for upgrade to captain and full employment with the company. Conversion of foreign licenses, if necessary, is available. Only applications through our website http://www.asg-jet.com will be accepted.
Salary: $
Closing Date: 31 December 2002

 

[RFtech]

Slide33

Go talk to a VA counselor, your base should have one. Since you are still on active duty, you may still be eligible. Don’t take the first NO as gospel, the counselors can not know every reg. Spend some time and do the research, it could pay off big$$$.

 

[Freight Dog]

This ASG scam artist still around?!?!

How come people like that don't just go away??