Most labor friendly presidental canidate??

[180ToTheMarker]

Anyone who votes to save his/her JOB over the SECURITY of our country, and preserving our QUALITY OF LIFE doesn't deserve to vote.
You can always get another job.

Agreed...won't matter how "pro-labor" someone is if we get hit again like 9-11. We'll all be screwed.

 

[blzr]

Who will care about labor contracts when your company goes belly up due to the customer base getting taxed out the whazooo and deciding to stay home, not to mention higher gas prices, corporate taxes (your airline), fuel prices, etc.

Yeah, stick to the labor issue, good idea.

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Who will care about labor contracts when your company goes belly up due to the customer base getting taxed out the whazooo and deciding to stay home, not to mention higher gas prices, corporate taxes (your airline), fuel prices, etc.

Yeah, stick to the labor issue, good idea.

So more credit card mentality spending is a good idea? Give me a break. uke:

 

[Benhuntn]

Actually the pro abortion groups want to be able to abort their kids all the way to age 18 if they are moving out of the house and 31 if they still live at home. If this becomes likely with the Dems taking all three branches in 08 I may have to swithch my party allegiances. I have six kids and three of will be getting out of prison this yr. If they want to move home I would like to abort them. Its my only choice!

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Actually the pro abortion groups want to be able to abort their kids all the way to age 18 if they are moving out of the house and 31 if they still live at home. If this becomes likely with the Dems taking all three branches in 08 I may have to swithch my party allegiances. I have six kids and three of will be getting out of prison this yr. If they want to move home I would like to abort them. Its my only choice!

Are you drunk?

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Because those issues are so unimportant???? I wish I could be so narrow minded to vote on a single issue, but I cant. While my job is important to me, fixing the problems in this country and preservation of our way of life is more important...

We are doomed as airline pilots because our Union has abandoned the membership. (That might not be totally true, but that is the perception of the membership. And unfortunately, perception is reality)

But the thread title was labor friendly pres candidate.

And the unions abandoning members? What about that fact that the power of the unions was first castrated by Reagan with the controllers strike?

 

[atafan]

Vote for Hillary!

If you want socialized medical care and redistribution of wealth that takes all incentive out of achieving great things.

Don't worry, Hillary will take care of labor so that you'll be laboring your whole life and that government controlled old folks home with unlimited oatmeal and diapers will look really good in your sixties.

Don't you understand! Hillary and the left say they will support labor, they are talking about Walmart, McDonalds, factory workers and ditch diggers not airline pilots and other professionals. To them we are nothing but a highly paid group to be taxed and distributed from.

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Don't you understand! Hillary and the left say they will support labor, they are talking about Walmart, McDonalds, factory workers and ditch diggers not airline pilots and other professionals. To them we are nothing but a highly paid group to be taxed and distributed from.

And the Republicans are well on their way to bankrupting the country in debt. They also LOVE Walmart, McD's.

 

[atafan]

Having said that.

The Repubs don't look much better. I just feel like voting for any of those on the Dem's list would expedite the inevitable, Welcome to The United Socialized States of North America - USSNA.

The dumping grounds of the world, bring us your weak, worn and tired so that someday our quality of life will be as bad as yours. The last time you shook a can with sand in it did the level line go up or settle down?

 

[atafan]

And the Republicans are well on their way to bankrupting the country in debt.

True. That's called reaching across the aisle.

Throw them all out!

 

[pianoman]

I don't think blindly voting for anyone who promises to reduce taxes is the answer.

It takes a certain amount of money to run necessary services in this country. You lower taxes too much and we keep borrowing money our children will have to pay back.

I would rather be voting for someone who vows to weed out government corruption and kickbacks.

I know it's possible to have a leader who can remain strong on security and stick up for the American middle class workers at the same time while balancing the budget and not running up more debt.

I just have to figure out who that would be.

 

[blzr]

I don't think blindly voting for anyone who promises to reduce taxes is the answer.

It takes a certain amount of money to run necessary services in this country. You lower taxes too much and we keep borrowing money our children will have to pay back.

I would rather be voting for someone who vows to weed out government corruption and kickbacks.

I know it's possible to have a leader who can remain strong on security and stick up for the American middle class workers at the same time while balancing the budget and not running up more debt.

I just have to figure out who that would be.

Fred Thompsons the MAN!!, now maybe he will decide to run.

 

[Lear70]

Yeah, you're describing Fred Thompson pretty well. Unfortunately, he's way too late in the game and not as well-known anymore as Hillary, despite his appearance in 3 or 4 movies.

 

[Patriot328]

Yeah, you're describing Fred Thompson pretty well. Unfortunately, he's way too late in the game and not as well-known anymore as Hillary, despite his appearance in 3 or 4 movies.

He's hardly too late to get in the game... The game is just beginning and these kooks grandstanding now are very early and run a big risk of overexposure.. Not to mention there really isn't a serious Republican contender out there. Giuliani and Romney aren't really Republicans. They might be by NE standards, but not by the rest of the country. For god sakes, Rudy said he believes in the second amendement!?

"As far as I am concerned, you can have a concealed weapon," he said. "The Constitution of the United States in the Second Amendment gives you an individual right to bear arms; that individual right is as strong as your individual right to free speech, free assembly, being safe against unreasonable searches and seizures."

Riiiiiiggghhhtt........ Thompson would have the ability to pull in quite a voting block if he runs. He's the closest thing to a "Constitutionalist" that would even have a remote shot of winning. He could probably pick up some libertarians into his fold.


I digress... If anything, these SENATORS need to stop going around and giving speeches to grab money and get their asssses back to Washington and go back to the jobs they're being PAID to do. You know, being a senator...

Then again, the less time they're actually working in the senate, the better off we probably all are.

 

[tired_pilot]

Nice to see this thread and some decent replies. Im a conservative but scared as hell of the current Republicans. What I call the sheep mentality in otherwise educated people is killing our country. Its no longer a case of Republican good, Democrat bad. The two parties seemed to have blended into one, with a few quality people mixed in on both sides.

Whats the answer? I dont know but if we're going to salvage our professions and the middle class in general we need to stay united now more then ever both as pilots and Americans....

 

[SaabStory]

Anyone who votes to save his/her JOB over the SECURITY of our country, and preserving our QUALITY OF LIFE doesn't deserve to vote.
You can always get another job.

Best post of the month......

 

[pkober]

Of the 5 viable presidental candiates (Romney,Mccain,Guliani,Clinton, Obama) which do you believe will be most friendly towards organized labor? Or should I say least unfriendly? In Nov 08 I'm going to put all my other political beliefs totally to the side and vote strickly for the best labor canidate.

With storm clouds on the horizion regarding cabatoge it is time to not let the camels nose into the tent. We need to go to war over this. Now is the time to do that while it still in it's infancy. Consider yourself warned.

Maybe you should start with the candidate who is for edumacation first.:laugh:

Labor makes up less than 10% of the work force. These democrats bow at the alter of labor. When they talk about labor, they aren't talking about airline pilots. They are talking about the uneducated assembly line worker.

Hillary has already said she wants to take away the "big" oil companies profits. What's next for her : "big" airline, "big" personal investments. She is a socialist and wants whats in your wallet and it's not your condom.

The unions are irrelevant when it comes to politics today. ALPA has endorsed Gore and Kerry and I have yet to fly with any people who have actually voted (or admit to it) for either of these rejects. They have chosen two losers in a row. Thank God most airline pilots are smart enough to vote for who they think is best (Republican or Democrat), not who some stooge at ALPA thinks is best.

Clinton stopped one airline strike, but he's a democrat so somehow he is "pro" union.

Politicians want your vote and will say anything to get it.

 

[atafan]

Politicians want your vote and will say anything to get it.

BINGO!

 

[JethroFDX]

Strategery

Yeah, you're describing Fred Thompson pretty well. Unfortunately, he's way too late in the game and not as well-known anymore as Hillary, despite his appearance in 3 or 4 movies.

Consider this, Fred may wait till a few of the candidates, both Rep and Dem, drop out and not waste his time and money. Then move in when the game is getting real.

 

[mach zero]

The unions are irrelevant when it comes to politics today. ALPA has endorsed Gore and Kerry and I have yet to fly with any people who have actually voted (or admit to it) for either of these rejects. They have chosen two losers in a row. Thank God most airline pilots are smart enough to vote for who they think is best (Republican or Democrat), not who some stooge at ALPA thinks is best.

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You are right...seven years of "dubya" has been so much better. I am glad that neither one of these "rejects" got elected.

 

[pkober]

You are right...seven years of "dubya" has been so much better. I am glad that neither one of these "rejects" got elected.[/quote]

Thank God we'll never know.

 

[DrewBlows]

Labor makes up less than 10% of the work force.

This statement pretty much sums up your entire post. The funny part is you probably don't understand why.

 

[Deuce130]

It doesn't matter, the president can't do crap anyway for labor. Only congress can and look at what they did. Look at what happened to ALPA recently. The country gets a democratic congress and the first thing they do for ALPA is raise the age to 65. Yep, your ALPA PAC dollars at work for candidates who support labor.

 

[Lear70]

She is a socialist and wants whats in your wallet and it's not your condom.

I don't care WHO you are, that's funny right there...

On a personal level, too... I've dealt with her one on one a handful of times, and this epitomizes how she feels about everyone who "works" for her or that she feels is below her social class.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Lear70: Thanx 4 that info!

I am definitely going for Edwards, and then Obama. If Hilary wins the Dem nomination, I will consider voting for Guiliani. I hate people who feel they are higher class than others.

It's definitely NOT WWJD!

cliff
YIP

 

[scarlet]

Edwards winning in Iowa Polls 32 %---Obama or Clinton will never win

Remember this country does not like Minorities !!!! Never have and never will!

Media tells people who to vote for, ask people stuff about each candidate (people in Iowa excluded) and they have no clue, except the bad and that is from the media...

Do your research !!!

 

[waveflyer]

It doesn't matter, the president can't do crap anyway for labor. Only congress can and look at what they did. Look at what happened to ALPA recently. The country gets a democratic congress and the first thing they do for ALPA is raise the age to 65. Yep, your ALPA PAC dollars at work for candidates who support labor.

Doesn't Matter? ATSB. NMB. Transportation secretary. Loyalty over competence. Does not listen to generals. The next president has to be two things- smarter and more accomplished than me. You can't elect a below average man to that office and think things will run well. Use our money and troops for things that actually will make us safer. Iraq= a misallocation of resources for Americans... However, oil and war service companies have done well.

Corruption occurs when Americans stop caring and stop paying attention. Get rid of corruption through gov't and then get gov't out of the way- then we'll all be good. Give me a party who will do that. (Anyone want to start an anti-corruption party? I don't need labour, green, asses or elephants. Whether gov't or corporate- our problem is corruption. Get politicians to serve again and we'll be good. Right now, the system corrupts good people, and makes bad people worse.)

I think Gore and the DA will be late entries and do well.

I do find it ironic that as conservative as pilots tend to be, that we continue to support the most socialist method of setting up our career-- ie: Seniority. There has to be a better way.

Gore for President.

g'night

 

[pkober]

This statement pretty much sums up your entire post. The funny part is you probably don't understand why.

I'm not a minded number union follower. I look at candidates for how they fit into my beliefs. I don't need the union telling me how to vote. If that's how you vote then it's pretty sad.

The unions are losing influence because people are becoming more educated. Most people see the corruption in unions and don't want to be part of that. Outsourcing also plays a part. Companies with unions are leaving for the cheaper labor. Politicians ,like Nancy Pelosi (sp), also fight unions starting in companies that they own (Ca. winery).

Can or worms, opened.

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

Corruption occurs when Americans stop caring and stop paying attention. Get rid of corruption through gov't and then get gov't out of the way- then we'll all be good. Give me a party who will do that. (Anyone want to start an anti-corruption party? I don't need labour, green, asses or elephants. Whether gov't or corporate- our problem is corruption. Get politicians to serve again and we'll be good. Right now, the system corrupts good people, and makes bad people worse.)

Gore for President.

Well that's partially true. Foundationally, it begins with leadership. When leadership becomes self serving and leadership isolates itself from the masses then masses feel "hopeless"and stop caring. We don't have the stomach for another Boston Tea Party. The politicians have done a good job of making politics too boring (because all the real deals are behind closed doors). Thank goodness for Brittany Spears and professional sports to keep us distracted - it keeps our eye off the politicians.
Personally I can't support Gore for the very reasons you just mentioned (corruption).

 

[Wino]

None of you guys get it.

THERE IS NO LABOR PARTY IN AMERICA! No one has even been looking out for labor since the mid 70s. There are two parties. One represents the corporation and the other the consumer. And through the miracles of outsourcing one party can represent both the Consumer and the corporation now which is why the democrats and republicans have become indistinguishable on issues that would effect a highly skilled union worker (i.e. Airline Pilots)

So don't even let it enter your thinking when you vote, you are voting an obsolete platform that no one is listening to.

Clinton stopped that AA strike and signed Nafta.
Carter and a democratic congress "deregulated" the airline industry in return for an extra 6 months of unemployment for labor. But they didn't REALLY deregulate it, they basically just made it easy to tear up union contracts in the courts...

The Bushes and the Reagans were no better and no worse for Airline pilots from a labor point of view, so you might as well vote based on taxes or security or abortion or whatever floats your boat. WE are non entities...

Cheers
Wino