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[chicksdgme]

Anyone just apply? Did you see the new format of questions. I applied and it makes a point to say how much time you have as of the date you fill it out. It seperates the multi into three categories. I was honest and put what I had as of when I filled it out. (which was under 75 I had 73) I will have over a hundred in just a couple of weeks. There is no way to update your times.I called and asked.
You have to wait six months. I hope I get a call and do not just get rejected by the computer. I would think they must know that it take a couple of months to get a call and you could easily build time while waiting for a call. I was honest I didn't want to say I had over a hundred when I did not. I have heard of people getting nailed for this.If I have to wait six months and reapply when I will have the time in a couple of weeks that really sucks. I will let everyone know if I get the postcard or a phone call. Just letting everyone know my experience so can take a gamble like I did or wait. If what I fear happens then I would say the system really sucks. But that's life. Honesty might bite me in the rear here.

 

[LJDRVR]

If what I fear happens then I would say the system really sucks. But that's life. Honesty might bite me in the rear here.

Honesty will never "bite you in the rear." Keep plugging away and you'll get here eventually. Enjoy what you're doing right now.

Good Luck.

 

[wakem@10]

Do you really expect to get hired with just 73 hours multi? Why don't you get off your @ss and get some more time. Come back when you have at least 200 multi. I don't think our captains get paid enough to babysit low time girls like you.

 

[list2002]

Do you really expect to get hired with just 73 hours multi? Why don't you get off your @ss and get some more time. Come back when you have at least 200 multi. I don't think our captains get paid enough to babysit low time girls like you.

... those classy xjet guys.

 

[chicksdgme]

Wake

Hey No I did not expect to get hired with 73 hrs of multi.Perhaps if you could read you would see that. Everyone has been getting hired with a little of a hundred hours thats reality. Sounds like someone has been warming the left seat a little too long. Real nice attitude to have. Not remembering when you were once where I was. Do you glance the checklists the way your glanced my original post? I hope you choke on a candybar and fail your next sim session. I was dropping bombs on Baghdad from my F16 while you practicing touch and gos. Too bad it only had one engine.
-Howard Hughes

 

[Alchemy]

I don't think our captains get paid enough to babysit low time girls like you.

Well they're already babysitting me so why not add one more to the bunch of rug rats! Seriously, the training department is pretty steadfast on their minimums, and everyone that's been getting hired had at least 100 hrs of multi except a few internal company transfers. They might make an exception for the F-16 time, not sure though. Thanks for the service and best of luck to you. Most people at Xjet are pretty friendly regardless of your experience. However, like anyplace, there are exceptions.

 

[COEX-FO]

Hey No I did not expect to get hired with 73 hrs of multi.Perhaps if you could read you would see that. Everyone has been getting hired with a little of a hundred hours thats reality. Sounds like someone has been warming the left seat a little too long. Real nice attitude to have. Not remembering when you were once where I was. Do you glance the checklists the way your glanced my original post? I hope you choke on a candybar and fail your next sim session. I was dropping bombs on Baghdad from my F16 while you practicing touch and gos. Too bad it only had one engine.
-Howard Hughes

It's a shame that wakem@10 took a stab at you but what's even worse is that you bit! Your post only lowers you to his level and I would like to think that he's just digging at you a bit!

Remember, he is here and you are not. I was hoping that you would have taken the high road on this as it now shows us your colors, right or wrong.

I certainly don't want someone on my flight deck that can loose it so easily. Perhaps you are really not like that it's hard to take back nasty words once spoken (or wrttten).

 

[Ben Franklin]

chicksdgme:

Don't sweat wakem (s)he (from the screenname) is probably based in Cleveland and hasn't seen the sun since 1974.

I think that one of the reasons they want all of the multi separated (and would probably like to see more of it total) is because some pilots have been having trouble in the sim during training.

I had the good fortune to speak with one of our examiners (no, I don't have training coming up) and this individual told me that there have been quite a few new hires that need additional training due to a poor scan (that is an important fundamental skill, especially with 50 pax in the back, I am sure that you would agree)

Remember, your qualifications will get you the interview, it will be up to you to screw it up from there.

I have not forgotten where I came from. I may be a sarcastic bastid at times on here, but that's just because I like to have a good time rather than be so serious all the time.

Get some more hours of multi with the hood on or in actual and then when you get the interview, be sure and highlight how important that QUALITY time was for you to earn and how it will translate into your performing better than your captain on every ILS that you will fly after IOE.

You get the picture.

Keep up the good work and you'll be complaining about your life as an XJT pilot before you know it.

Feel free to send me a PM if you need more info on XJT that you can't find on these boards.

Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[Mookie]

"I certainly don't want someone on my flight deck that can loose it so easily"

Or someone like that with live ordinance....melllllooooowwwwwwwww.

 

[chicksdgme]

Lol

I think you drank some bad coffee captain. I have a penchant for comedy as does Wake apparently. Loosen up unbuckle your belt. Sounds like some flight attendant didn't give you the time of day when you asked for it. You sound like a Mr Brady talking to Greg after he got caught with cigarettes in his high school jacket. Relax Moses there is 10 commandments we don't need you sounding like you feel the need for an 11th. LOL I feel like I am in trouble and I just got grounded. I have to admit your words did have a fatherly sound to it. Holy serious Batman!

 

[Mookie]

You'll fit in swimmingly at XJet. just remember that you don't call them RJ's there. (humor).

 

[jetbluedog]

HEY FEDS!! - Make 1200 Multi mins for Regionals!!

1200 HOURS PIC should be the industry Min. and Federal Regulated Min. for all new hire FO's at the regionals.

Makes me sick to read about 100 hour, pee-ons taking jobs in shiny jets they have no right to be in.

FAR 121.999 should read, "All regional airline applicants should have logged a minimum of 1200 hours PIC in multi-engine aircraft prior to hire date. 35% of the 1200 required hours must be logged in Night/IMC/Single Pilot operations in multi-engine aircraft not newer than model year 1978."

AMEN, BROTHER!!

 

[chicksdgme]

oh please mr jetblue how hard is your job. 400ft click the autopilot 400ft click it off and land. The hardest part of your day is wiping off the blue potato chips crumbs from you fingers so you can tune in without slipping off disengaging the autopilot. We put you in a cessna right now you would have no clue.

 

[Alchemy]

I had the good fortune to speak with one of our examiners (no, I don't have training coming up) and this individual told me that there have been quite a few new hires that need additional training due to a poor scan (that is an important fundamental skill, especially with 50 pax in the back, I am sure that you would agree)

Really? It seems like the only time when your scan is going to make or break you in the sims is for the Essential Power Approach, Steep Turns, and Stalls, and paradoxically the Visual, since these are some of the only times flight guidance is not used (JMHO). I don't think we did any raw data approaches other than the essntial power ILS. It doesn't take a great scan to follow the flight director.

I think the biggest problem people are having in the Sims is managing the automation! Remember, the FGCP is a completely foreign concept to your average CFI or freight dawg. I hadn't seen a flight director since I had 30 hrs and my instructor let me ride with him in a new Bonanza until I set foot on XJT property. The Essential Power approach was probably one of the easiest I did during training because I didn't have to worry about messing with the blasted FGCP!

The other big problem is not having the flows down solid before the FTD's. I managed to slip through training without busting any Sims or FTD's but for most people that did, it seemed that its was a result of somehow getting hung up on the flight guidance.

 

[dojetdriver]

Anyone just apply? Did you see the new format of questions. I applied and it makes a point to say how much time you have as of the date you fill it out. It seperates the multi into three categories. I was honest and put what I had as of when I filled it out. (which was under 75 I had 73) I will have over a hundred in just a couple of weeks. There is no way to update your times.I called and asked.
You have to wait six months. I hope I get a call and do not just get rejected by the computer. I would think they must know that it take a couple of months to get a call and you could easily build time while waiting for a call. I was honest I didn't want to say I had over a hundred when I did not. I have heard of people getting nailed for this.If I have to wait six months and reapply when I will have the time in a couple of weeks that really sucks. I will let everyone know if I get the postcard or a phone call. Just letting everyone know my experience so can take a gamble like I did or wait. If what I fear happens then I would say the system really sucks. But that's life. Honesty might bite me in the rear here.

Out of curiosity,when did you fill out the app? I filled one out on the 10th and it didn't even ask for flight time.

 

[chicksdgme]

I filled it out on the 10th as well. I would go back and check.It ask for total time above 600 below it and something like less than 400 then multi more than 100 75 to 100 or less than 75

 

[chicksdgme]

here is the exact questions if anyone cares

How much fixed-wing time do you have as of today's date (do not include simulator time)?

More than 600 hours
499-600 hours
Less than 499
How much multi-engine time do you have as of today's date (do not include simulator time)?

More than 100 hours
75 - 100 hours
Fewer than 75 hours

 

[Flechas]

Really? It seems like the only time when your scan is going to make or break you in the sims is for the Essential Power Approach, Steep Turns, and Stalls, and paradoxically the Visual, since these are some of the only times flight guidance is not used (JMHO). I don't think we did any raw data approaches other than the essntial power ILS. It doesn't take a great scan to follow the flight director.

I think the biggest problem people are having in the Sims is managing the automation! Remember, the FGCP is a completely foreign concept to your average CFI or freight dawg. I hadn't seen a flight director since I had 30 hrs and my instructor let me ride with him in a new Bonanza until I set foot on XJT property. The Essential Power approach was probably one of the easiest I did during training because I didn't have to worry about messing with the blasted FGCP!

The other big problem is not having the flows down solid before the FTD's. I managed to slip through training without busting any Sims or FTD's but for most people that did, it seemed that its was a result of somehow getting hung up on the flight guidance.

The flight director in the ERJ is not the best, so you have to stay on top of what's going on. Also, regardless of the level of automation being used, your situation awareness should always remain high. This being said, a good scan is essential.
Maybe they changed the training because i had to do a few raw data approaches in the sim.

 

[Alchemy]

Can't argue with you there. I think I did one raw data ILS in the FTD and one raw data (essential power) in the sim. Everything else was either coupled or flight director only. Either way, you never know when you'll have to kick it all off. I'm learning that the Flight Director doesn't compensate for crosswinds aloft on the localizer very well....

 

[greyhound]

Applied on the 7th. of Jan.

Got an e-mail today that says "no position for your qualifications."

But I expected this with only 500 hrs.!!

Since the on-line deal lets you apply with even less than 499, I figured why not?

Nobody said anything about waiting six months.

Six months for what?

 

[Superpilot92]

I applied Nov 6th and havent heard anything yet. I guess no news is better than bad news. We shall see!!!

 

[Ben Franklin]

I think the biggest problem people are having in the Sims is managing the automation!

I guess the examiner was wrong. 7 years of working at the training center isn't enough to know what people are having difficulities with.

I should have deferred to you via PM before posting.

Oh, by the way: "GEAR UP"

Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[pilotmyf]

1200 HOURS PIC should be the industry Min. and Federal Regulated Min. for all new hire FO's at the regionals.

Makes me sick to read about 100 hour, pee-ons taking jobs in shiny jets they have no right to be in.

FAR 121.999 should read, "All regional airline applicants should have logged a minimum of 1200 hours PIC in multi-engine aircraft prior to hire date. 35% of the 1200 required hours must be logged in Night/IMC/Single Pilot operations in multi-engine aircraft not newer than model year 1978."

AMEN, BROTHER!!

Apparently you will see this post on all regional threads--Maybe airliners.net is more up your alley, maybe you can debate the best seat and aisle on an A320 with them.

 

[LJDRVR]

.....73 hrs of multi... I was dropping bombs on Baghdad from my F16 while you practicing touch and gos. Too bad it only had one engine.

I'll apologize right here if you can convince me otherwise, but dude, my B.S. meter is pegged. I don't remember seeing F-16 or T-6 on your profile yesterday, and no self respecting fighter pilot would casually drop a phrase such as "dropping bombs on Baghdad in my F-16." in the context of this post.

An active duty Viper driver with 1000 total time would be about midpoint on his service commitment and most certainly not looking for a civilian position. Perhaps you're guard or reserve? I'm still not buying it.

Wait a minute! I just re-read your post, you claim only 73 hours of multi-engine time! Perhaps you were such a SH stud at UPT that they let you skip almost half of the T-38 syllabus.

Pehaps some of our rated friends here on the board can publicly enlighten you as to exactly how much multi time a T-6/T-38 tracked guy will finish phase III with. (I know, but I just want give others who will be far more offended than some enlisted puke like myself the chance to pile on your prevarication here.)

Dude, why the need to lie? Your sense of self worth must be pretty weak if you feel the need the pretend be something you're not. If I were you, I'd be a little more worried about integrity issues than multi engine time.

PROVE ME WRONG LIAR!

 

[FADECtoBLACK]

An active duty Viper driver with 1000 total time would be about midpoint on his service commitment and most certainly not looking for a civilian position. Perhaps you're guard or reserve? I'm still not buying it.

Wait a minute! I just re-read your post, you claim only 73 hours of multi-engine time! Perhaps you were such a SH stud at UPT that they let you skip almost half of the T-38 syllabus.

OH SNAP! Good call LJDRVR.

 

[Rock]

LJDRVR,


I really have no idea about the individual in question, but here are a few possiblities. If I recall correctly from filling out airline apps, many didn't want you to list time unless it was PIC. As students at UPT are not considered PIC's, that T-38 time may not count for anything. However, once you graduate from UPT and flow into fighter lead in training, your time in the AT-38 does count, because you are now considered fully qualifed in that jet. I don't know how many hours a student gets in AT-38's now, but this guy does mention his multi-engine time is currently increasing. That would imply he is getting time in something else beside his AT-38 time.

As far as the 1000 hours in the Viper thing... I don't see him claiming that. I just see 1000 hours total time. That is believeable. My guess is he is a young Guard or Reserve guy.

As far as the "dropping bombs over Baghdad" comment. If he is a Guard or Reserve pilot, that is not at all out of the question. Whether or not the average fighter pilot would slip that into conversation....well, I've seen/heard stupider things in my time.

Again, I don't know this guy, or his specifics. I'm just saying his situation isn't totally unbelieveable. If he is lying, then he mostly lied on his apps as well, and he'll never be hired anywhere. Those things have a tendency to catch up with people.

Rock

 

[LJDRVR]

Thanks Rock,

Yeah, I forgot the IFF aspect. I still think he's full of it. XJT's APP doesn't ask for anything except Multi engine. (No PIC breakdown)

How much multi-engine time do you have as of today's date (do not include simulator time)?


More than 100 hours
75 - 100 hours
Fewer than 75 hours

I still think this guy is a liar. He just doesn't come off properly in his posts. The clincher issue for me is that I don't remember his profile containing either the F-16 or the T-6 when I first read his his post. Not to mention it still says civilian under type of experience. He apparently felt the need to bolster his qualifications when folks started whining about how low time pilots shouldn't be allowed. Too bad. Chksdgme-the vast majority of us don't give a rat's patoot about that issue.

I'll happily and humbly apologize and eat crow here on the board if I'm wrong, but my guess is we'll see one of two things happen:

• He'll delete this thread and get a new username.

• He won't respond and will get a new username.

 

[upndsky]

How do you get an ATP with only 1000 hours, as he claims he has?

I smell something, too.

 

[HueyPilot]

The very first T-6 class started at Moody in October 2001. The syllabus is about 6 months long, which would mean (if he was in this very first class) he would finish in March 2002. Then, knowing the AF, it would take about a month to get to his next duty station at Vance AFB, where he'd go through the T-38A syllabus, which is another 6 months. That puts him around October-November 2002. Then he has to go to IFF flying the AT-38. IF he got an immediate class date, that would eat up another two months. Now we're talking January 2003. Then survival, which would eat up another month or two...March 2003. Then it's off to Viper FTU at Luke AFB (or one of the Guard programs at Springfield or San Antonio), which is about 9-10 months long. Now he's walking out the door as a fully qualified Viper driver around January 2004 or February 2004.

This is assuming he was in the very 1st T-6 class. Then there's local upgrades, and so on. The only way this guy could be what he says is if he's a Guard pilot. If that's the case, what unit is he in? It still smells fishy because the bulk of the strike sorties were flown in March-May of 2003. And I think most of my fighter pilot friends would list the T-38 before listing the T-6.

By the way, all your UPT time can count towards your total flying time as far as the FAA is concerned. It's the same for civilians...your dual time in a C152 goes towards your totals, so does our dual time in a T-6 or T-37. And UPT pilots log around 120 hours or so in the T-38. It is multi-engine, although centerline thrust.

Still fishy. Not impossible, but fishy. I don't know too many F-16 pilots that would make a statement like that..."dropping bombs on Baghdad". Whatever.

 

[LJDRVR]

He's a liar.

His profile shows he was last online this afternoon. No self-respecting fighter pilot is going to allow some prior enlisted punk (like myself ) to question his bona fides.

Reminds me of the time I was eating at a restuarant with my family. I wa wearing my grungy old Air Force Presidential Honor Guard sweatshirt. Noticing it, the waiter asks me if I'm in the AF.

"Nah," I retort "Did nine years active duty and took the early out a few years back."

"Yeah, I'm in training to fly the B-1." he replies proudly.

"Cool! So you're in the schoolhouse out at Dyess?" I ask skeptically

"No, I'm stiil in pilot training."

"Wow, y'all are getting drops during UPT. Interesting! Which phase are you in?" I ask with a grin

"Still learning. Are you guys ready to order?"


Well, I have to go now, NASA has called and asked me command the first return to flight shuttle mission, and I have to get studying.