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[Swass]

I just went and popped some popcorn, too early for beer. (not that I disagree)

Put on your flack jacket :uzi:

 

[wmuflyguy]

That's not correct. NTSB said it was 49,987.

I jsut quoted what was out of the article, I know for 47 people 40k definately does not sound correct, but I am jsut quoting the article.

 

[B1900FO]

The NTSB briefer last night said the captain called out rotate speed when the aircraft reached rotate speed. Sounds like everything was normal and they achieved rotate speed on the pavement. Listen here:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5729743

Interesting audio. Presuming they did reach Vr and began to rotate why was their max speed throughout the entire "flight" per say, only 137 knots. Once you begin to rotate the airplane is accelerating very rapidly and Vlof is actually much higher than Vr....hmmm. I don't know the CRJ at all, but I would assume Vr for that weight was somewhere between 131 and 138?

The fact of the matter is, they did use the wrong runway and that is what is truly unfortunate about this event.

 

[ultrarunner]

Interesting audio. Presuming they did reach Vr and began to rotate why was their max speed throughout the entire "flight" per say, only 137 knots. Once you begin to rotate the airplane is accelerating very rapidly and Vlof is actually much higher than Vr....hmmm. I don't know the CRJ at all, but I would assume Vr for that weight was somewhere between 131 and 138?
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Max of 137 on the CVR. It likley quit recording just at Vr or within a second thereafter...likey due to them rotating into the trees.

Did they even achieve Vlof?

 

[DGdaPilot]

It's amazing how tragedies always bring out the ******************************bags....cough...crash pad.....cough......

 

[Dumb Pilot]

where the engine could make morethan full rated power above and beyond the usual operating parameters for short periods of time without coming apart. Theoretically, all the pilots would have to do is put the throttles into a "max performance" detent and hopefully they would be rated for enough thrust to keep them climbing in a positive rate.

As all other threads about the subject, this one has degraded into a finger pointing fiesta without all the facts involved.

But to answer your original question. Yes, all turbine engines that I have come across (Including the CF-34's) Have a "firewall" capacity that would give extra power (Although not much) for a short period of time. The engine is NOT going to come apart if it is in "red" for a few seconds. I'll just wait until the official report and not speculate on whether it would or wouldn't have made a difference.

It is really shameful that fellow pilots are conducting a crucifixion of this crew without all the facts involved. Lets take a step back and think for a second here, this individuals where experienced drivers in not only the A/C bud also the airport, proficient crews in one of the most respected regional carriers out there with a great training department, I don't think there is any doubt about that fact?
An accident is always a chain of events that lead to it, not simply an isolated mistake made by someone's carelessness.
There is no doubt that Vanzanten for example (Not sure if I'm spelling it right) was a good Captain, And what appeared to be at the preliminary stages of the investigation in Tenerife as if this crew simply started the T/O without clearance, turned out to be a series of very unfortunate circumstances that caused this tragedy. PanAm missing their assigned exit, a Blocked Transmission caused by the Tower confirming "Pos and Hold" and PA reporting that they we're still on the runway. That accident gave us CRM, That accident gave us universal communication language between ICAO and FAA phraseology, That accident opened the theory of "Training Syndrome" That just like the theory of the effects of the pressure put on all of us by the possibility of loosing all our flying tomorrow due to an RFP, probably will never be proven.

I would suggest a little restrain with the speculation and accusation and analyze this tragedy closely. It is NEVER what appears to be at first glance.

It is very hypocritical coming from pilots to say How can this have happened? I expect that from the press, not from pilots. You have never being at an intersection with the tiller in your hand approaching it slowly and asked yourself. I'm I on the right place?
I remind you that ground incursions constitute roughly 80% of ALL violations by part 121 carriers.