More of Mexico for ASA

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By the time you strike you won't have any planes or routes.

Then we better get busy - STRIKE VOTE NOW!

 

[Tomct]

Fins, the vote is on the way. It is going to be SWEEEEEEEET!!! Get ready Jerry, you are messing with the WRONG pilot group on this DEALIO!

 

[Tomct]

Spdbrd, It would not suprise me, them closing SLC and opening LAX. Talk about lack of direction. But much better than going back to Chitlanta!

 

[nev-air mind]

What would be the protocol for staffing a new LAX base? (I just got settled in to Atl)

 

[SPDBRD747400]

Spdbrd, It would not suprise me, them closing SLC and opening LAX. Talk about lack of direction. But much better than going back to Chitlanta!

The further away the better!!!! Looks like ASA's "Vision" is cloudy yet again!!! What a shock!

 

[John Pennekamp]

MELIT is one of those pilot-hating mechanics. He's always trying to stir crap up. Not much of a mechanic so he just MEL's it.

Squawk: "EFIS tube failed repeatedly in flight... repeat writeup"

Solution: "Reracked components, cleaned and reseated Cannon Plugs, ops check good, no defects noted."

 

[Tomct]

John, NOW you are scareing me!haha Don't worry about MELIT, he is just another "wannabe" pilot surfing these boards for entertainment!

Spdbrd, Clearer have your words never been!:laugh: Yeah, I'm feelin the VISION! I think that it is clouded over by all of the BS that mgmnt has been trying to feed us! You watch, all of these senior guys will bid back to ATL and then they will end up NOT closing SLC. That would not suprise me ONE BIT!! We'll see what happens.

 

[antisocialist]

If I remember the press release correctly, Skywest paid Delta roughly what the value of the hard assets were, namely planes. And to secure their current contracts through bankruptcy. So, the contracts have been resigned, the planes paid for through a recent stock issue, and Jerry Atkins is losing sleep over what?

And if a non-union business fills a void left by a union business, is that being a scab? Who crossed a picket line? You don't think Mesa, Shuttle America, and everyother regional will rush in to fill the gap, union or not?

 

[atrdriver]

By the time you strike you won't have any planes or routes.

Thanks for the support. Can't wait till it's your turn, and it IS coming.

 

[MELIT]

Thanks for the support. Can't wait till it's your turn, and it IS coming.

Don't get mad it's just a fact.When Jerry went on his road show he said ASA was going to shrink.So why is this a suprise? From reading these funny boards it's sounds like most of you want to shut it down anyway.

 

[atrdriver]

Don't get mad it's just a fact.When Jerry went on his road show he said ASA was going to shrink.So why is this a suprise? From reading these funny boards it's sounds like most of you want to shut it down anyway.

And when it's your turn in the barrel he will be talking about shrinking you. Hope it's not a surprise, because it WILL happen.

 

[FL990]

When Jerry went on his road show he said ASA was going to shrink.So why is this a suprise?

This is an incorrect statement... At no time has Jerry said that ASA is going to shrink. What he has done is threaten us with loss of 70 seat aircraft if we don't take pay concessions but this is a tactic that is used very often. Just because they say it doesn't make it true. In addition, you have made many other ignorant statements such as something to the effect of "by the time we go on strike, we will have no aircraft left" alluding to SKW Inc shifting all of our aircraft to skywest airlines.

How in the HELL are they going to hire 1750 pilots...no wait, excuse me, scabs... in 3 months, train them, and have them ready to go.

Point made..

now to get back to Jerry's threat of taking our 70's...what about the 50's, we are substantially cheaper on the 50. Does that mean we are going to get all of there 50's...of course not.

We can't make deals based on possiblity of growth. We have to negotiate a deal and move foward...

with that being said, expecting a pay RAISE on the 700 is stupid since we are currently the highest paid 700 drivers for DCI (if you consider the CMR pay concession)...but asking for cuts at our profit levels is a HUGE slap in the face!!

 

[SSDD]

I have posted this before but a lot of you seem to gloss right over it. You have to know who is across the table from you. When Jerry Atkin tells you something, it is not his opening position, it is closer to the bottom line. You seem to operate under the impression that the company will give in and you'll get most of what you want...ain't gonna happen! Not in today's environment.

Sure, there may be a little give, but not much, and you'll have to give at least as much as you get. I can guarantee you that a strike vote, or an actual strike is not going to take Skywest Inc. by surprise, and they'll be ready for it. There are a lot of contingency preparations going on at this moment. It will hurt for a while, but it will not be the end of the company.

By all means, don't give up, but be smart about it.

 

[OARfan]

Jerry will start to transfer planes to SkyWest so there might not be alot of airplanes parked .

Then you can be scabs and we'll have the excuse to do something else.

 

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You have to know who is across the table from you. When Jerry Atkin tells you something, it is not his opening position, it is closer to the bottom line.

Thanks for your post. You make a good point. However, I think many people underestimate ALPA's resolve. ALPA just doesn't bluff.

Perhaps that makes this situation more explosive, not less so. Jerry Atkin's plan B (perhaps it was plan A) was to strip ASA of what he wanted. He originally only wanted the 700's in SLC. Delta said all or nothing, so the rest of the ASA operation was something he accepted - at least he got gate space in the World's busiest airport.

You are right that Mr. Atkin is a straight shooter. It is no suprise ASA is to Skywest what Eastern was to Continental.

 

[rjcap]

If I remember the press release correctly, Skywest paid Delta roughly what the value of the hard assets were, namely planes. And to secure their current contracts through bankruptcy. So, the contracts have been resigned, the planes paid for through a recent stock issue, and Jerry Atkins is losing sleep over what?

And if a non-union business fills a void left by a union business, is that being a scab? Who crossed a picket line? You don't think Mesa, Shuttle America, and everyother regional will rush in to fill the gap, union or not?

I'll tell you who is sweating it. Has anybody seen Brian L. lately? This guy looks like he is definitely in the dog house. I have a feeling his inability to get the pilot contract done within the required 3 months has left his job security highly in doubt.

 

[rjcap]

I have posted this before but a lot of you seem to gloss right over it. You have to know who is across the table from you. When Jerry Atkin tells you something, it is not his opening position, it is closer to the bottom line. You seem to operate under the impression that the company will give in and you'll get most of what you want...ain't gonna happen! Not in today's environment.

Sure, there may be a little give, but not much, and you'll have to give at least as much as you get. I can guarantee you that a strike vote, or an actual strike is not going to take Skywest Inc. by surprise, and they'll be ready for it. There are a lot of contingency preparations going on at this moment. It will hurt for a while, but it will not be the end of the company.

By all means, don't give up, but be smart about it.

I understand your point. I have also posted previousely that I don't believe J. Atkin truly understood what he bought when he acquired ASA. I am sure he had a good measure of the physical equipment and the route structure but not a true understanding of the acidic hatred that exists at this company between mgmt and the pilot group.

This one oversight on the part of JA may very well cause him some indegestion over the next year as the battle ensues to get ASA in to some type of operational consistency.

 

[AVoiceOfReason]

Thanks for your post. You make a good point. However, I think many people underestimate ALPA's resolve. ALPA just doesn't bluff.

Perhaps that makes this situation more explosive, not less so. Jerry Atkin's plan B (perhaps it was plan A) was to strip ASA of what he wanted. He originally only wanted the 700's in SLC. Delta said all or nothing, so the rest of the ASA operation was something he accepted - at least he got gate space in the World's busiest airport.

You are right that Mr. Atkin is a straight shooter. It is no suprise ASA is to Skywest what Eastern was to Continental.

I lost my job because of the Eastern strike - let's be careful here at ASA. By the way ALPA didn't do squat for me after we lost our job. In fact the Delta MEC wouldn't give us the time of day much less an interview.

 

[Tomct]

SSDD, I understand what you are saying, but I think that JA was expecting "the ASA pilot group" to roll over and play ball. Yet, here we are doing the dance. I believe that he is very surprised at our resolve and will only solidify it when the strike votes are counted! He is not used too a pilot group standing up to him and I don't think that he is too clear on how to approach his next move. I do know that there is NO WAY they could find and train 1800 plus pilots in time to NOT take a HUUUUUGGE LOSS! We are not asking for the moon and the stars, but we will by NO MEANS be walked over like a door matt!
UNITED WE WILL STAND!!!