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More leakage & shrinkage on the deal

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lowecur

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More news leaking out the deal will be announced next week. Looks this way to me:
  • DP will take a hack saw to US Airways unprofitable routes
  • US Airways Mainline to lose 60 a/c
  • Code Share the first few years
  • Slow integration & merger beginning year 3
Reuters

US Air, America West move toward a merger
Friday May 13, 6:40 pm ET
By John Crawley


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Bankrupt US Airways Group Inc. (OTC BB:UAIRQ.OB - News) and America West Holdings Corp. (NYSE:AWA - News) are moving toward a proposed merger that would likely begin as a marketing alliance and take shape in stages, an industry source with knowledge of discussions on the deal said on Friday.

The plan could be wrapped up in time for an America West board meeting on May 17, followed by a US Airways bankruptcy court hearing in Virginia two days later.

"The deal is more or less done and will be announced next week," said the source on condition of anonymity. "It will most likely be done in stages, possibly as a code-share first."

Staging the deal would give US Airways more time to further align its costs with America West, a goal the seventh-largest airline has expressed since entering bankruptcy in September for the second time in two years.

Officials for US Airways, based in Arlington, Va., and America West, headquartered in Phoenix, have refused to confirm that a deal is near.

Code sharing is common among major domestic and international carriers who sell and cross-market seats on each others' flights. Marketing alliances have been popular because they are cheap and easier to launch and manage than mergers.

Federal transportation regulators look favorably on code shares, and industry experts envision no antitrust issues that could undermine a merger based on existing routes and operations of the two carriers.

US Airways' financial troubles could help approval of a merger as regulators relax competition requirements when a "failing" company is involved.

The government oversees more than $1 billion in federal loan guarantees granted to the two airlines as part of an effort to stabilize the industry after the 2001 attacks and has avoided any action to hinder US Airways' restructuring.

It was unclear how the transaction will be financed. US Airways has commitments for $250 million from two regional airlines but must come up with another $100 million to satisfy the terms of one investor. Industry consultants said the company could sell coveted airport gates in Washington or New York and other assets to raise cash or realize new financing from a number of industry and outside sources.

"There is a lot they could do without investing a lot," said Michael Boyd, a Colorado-based aviation consultant.

Boyd and other industry observers say a careful but imaginative deal done in stages makes more sense than an outright merger because putting the two companies together immediately would not reduce overcapacity -- a reason why airlines are losing billions each year.

Time is critical for US Airways and airline mergers can also involve protracted union negotiations.

"You are dealing with people who are innovative thinkers," Boyd said of America West chief executive Doug Parker and other people said to be involved in the discussions.

Most observers agree that US Airways would have to shrink further to bring costs more in line with America West's. Moreover, airline mergers have typically resulted in higher costs for the acquiring company.

Another potential signal that a deal could be close, US Airways filed a court motion this week seeking bonuses and severance enhancements for more than 1,800 management and other salaried workers to keep them in place during any transition.

US Airways said a merger "would be mixed news" for its executives and other salaried workers because a deal could result in a "material reduction" in their ranks. The airline said an exodus of key employees could cripple the company and scratch any deal.

Shares of America West, a low-cost success eager to expand its network eastward, have traded lower since word surfaced it in recent weeks that it was in serious merger talks with US Airways. America West shares closed Friday down five cents, or 1.2 percent, to $4.09 per share on the New York exchange.
 
Thanks for posting this Lowercue. This is more info than I got from my own MEC.




PHXFLYR:cool:
 
At first glance, this seems to be a much more reasonable approach. It falls in line with recent indications that the deal would be more creative than a straight merger and not look as one might expect. 3 yrs sounds like a long time, but maybe this is the way DP can get his hands in the cookie jar before what would be an imminet bidding war if USairways liquidated.

I wonder what AWA will do with the remaining airbus deliveries. Are we commited to taking those aircraft or would they go by the wayside as part of an upcoming deal?
 
Yes it does. Sure glad to see them doing some "outside the box" thinking for a change over at the Tempe Tombstone. Just wish they didn't have to let 60 a/c
go. I don't want to see ANY pilot,either AWA or USAir lose their jobs


PHXFLYR:rolleyes:
 
Thanks

Thanks for the posting and the link. If Parker can pull this off like the article says it will be impressive. On a different note I just came out of Bellingham WA this afternoon. The Horizon people said they haven't been getting any bags out of Seattle because Alaska just terminated over 400 rampers. Holy #!@&#!$! I think Alaska Mgmt. makes ours look like the care bears.
 
Lowecur,

How did you get that info? We must have a spy in our meetings...... But, you hit the nail on the head.

DP
 
Could be interesting, USAir gives up 60 a/c. What type and if they are 737's 300/500 how long before SWA takes them and expands their east coast routes making it even more difficult for AWA.
 
Offhot,

SWA could always buy planes. Anytime they like. Plenty of capital available to them. They would need the gates. Without those Philly and CLT gates, a bunch of planes don't help them very much.

I believe the international routes will be the money maker here.
Unfortunately, with all the concessions the Airways guys have taken, that flying will more than likely be profitable.

Oh yeah, that's if oil could stay at some reasonable level.


There I go rambling again....
 
OffHot said:
Could be interesting, USAir gives up 60 a/c. What type and if they are 737's 300/500 how long before SWA takes them and expands their east coast routes making it even more difficult for AWA.

The rumor mill said that our Maintenance folks looked into those jets and said "no thanks"
 
Soulfly said:
Offhot,

SWA could always buy planes. Anytime they like. Plenty of capital available to them. They would need the gates. Without those Philly and CLT gates, a bunch of planes don't help them very much. I said it before and I'll say it again, I believe DP is going to downsize PHL into mostly O&D with CLT picking up most of the connecting stuff. He is not afraid to share PHL with LUV or others. The days of the fortress hub are not as important.

I believe the international routes will be the money maker here.
Unfortunately, with all the concessions the Airways guys have taken, that flying will more than likely be profitable. Air Canada will start a US subsidiary with 25% control and the rest owned by Cerberus Capital to handle International flying for US Airways. It is my guess that Cerberus Capital will be amongst the Holding Co. investors.

Oh yeah, that's if oil could stay at some reasonable level.


There I go rambling again....
.....
 
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PHXFLYR said:
Thanks for posting this Lowercue. This is more info than I got from my own MEC.

PHXFLYR:cool:


Ok normally I don't F with you but this time is a must. The info you need is all in house at this time and has been for the last few days. It's you fault this time!! You could have attended the meetings on thurs and fri and found out just want you wanted to know. Further log on the the alpa web board and there is more info for you there.

WD.
 
Doug Parker said:
Lowecur,

How did you get that info? We must have a spy in our meetings...... But, you hit the nail on the head.

DP

You too funny !!!! Loggin in as Dougie, if nothing else very creative...

WD.
 
ivauir said:
The rumor mill said that our Maintenance folks looked into those jets and said "no thanks"

I hate smug. You are smug. The maintenance folks at U do a fine job keeping our A/C clean with very few write ups. These 737-300's are no worse off than SWA's older -300's you pompous AH.

Last I heard, you don't have 430 brand new 737-700's in your fleet. You've got a mix...just like everybody else.
 
He didn’t say that SWA didn’t want them because they were POS. What we’ve been hearing is that the cost to integrate into our fleet would be cost prohibitive. We are working on an extending the cycles on our current 300s and retrofitting them with flat panel LCDs for the PFDs. We’ve also heard the asking price was too high. But these are just the rumors going around, and you know reliable rumors are.

 
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airbus_jas said:
I hate smug. You are smug. .

Sorry you feel that way. You sure got wound up over a very short post. I guess I could call you names here too, but only an AH would do that.

airbus_jas said:
The maintenance folks at U do a fine job keeping our A/C clean with very few write ups. These 737-300's are no worse off than SWA's older -300's you pompous AH.

Last I heard, you don't have 430 brand new 737-700's in your fleet. You've got a mix...just like everybody else.

The reallity is that the worst airplanes in our fleet right now are ones we got from other airlines. These are great airlines with great professional maintenance folks. I don't know why these planes aren't as nice as the ones we got from Boeing of the same vintage, but they aren't.
 
They suck...we don't want them and they are really dirty too.
 
From what I heard the reason that SWA Maint said not to get the A/C when USAir gave them up was not because of the work being done by the USAir Mechs, is was that they had heavy scheduled maintenance about to be due on them. As for SWA's -700s all but 2 came right from Boeing.
 
Wiskey Driver said:
Ok normally I don't F with you but this time is a must. The info you need is all in house at this time and has been for the last few days. It's you fault this time!! You could have attended the meetings on thurs and fri and found out just want you wanted to know. Further log on the the alpa web board and there is more info for you there.

WD.


OH,Bull Sheet newbie. This article hit the wire long before JR put his hotline message out. Ive been checking the web board and the hotline daily,so don't go mouthing off telling me that it's my fault and I don't know where to go to get the info. Because as usual you have no idea what you are talking about.


PHXFLYR:cool:
 
PHXFLYR said:
Yes it does. Sure glad to see them doing some "outside the box" thinking for a change over at the Tempe Tombstone. Just wish they didn't have to let 60 a/c
go. I don't want to see ANY pilot,either AWA or USAir lose their jobs


PHXFLYR:rolleyes:
What sucks is MidAtlantic will probably take on a bunch of 190s to replace those a/c, and those pilots will be offered those jobs at substantially reduced rates. Even though it means more sales for ERJ, I would rather see max rates paid to those guys/gals that have been there 12 years or more.
 
PHXFLYR said:
OH,Bull Sheet newbie. This article hit the wire long before JR put his hotline message out. Ive been checking the web board and the hotline daily,so don't go mouthing off telling me that it's my fault and I don't know where to go to get the info. Because as usual you have no idea what you are talking about.


PHXFLYR:cool:

Newbie?? Wow two yrs and still carry that tag!! Well there you have PHXFLYR once a Dic head always a Dic head you'll never change. Wrong the info you seek was out prior to this post but you never stop whinning long enough to find out anything. Complain, complain complain. Instead of acting like a little Beitch all the time why don't you do something positive with all that hatred you have pinned inside you???

WD
 

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