More from Howard "the Idiot" Dean

[CitationLover]

from the Concord Monitor.

But wouldn't most Americans feel strongly that bin Laden should be tried in America - and put to death?

"I've resisted pronouncing a sentence before guilt is found," Dean said. "I still have this old-fashioned notion that even with people like Osama, who is very likely to be found guilty, we should do our best not to, in positions of executive power, not to prejudge jury trials. So I'm sure that is the correct sentiment of most Americans, but I do think if you're running for president, or if you are president, it's best to say that the full range of penalties should be available. But it's not so great to prejudge the judicial system."


I guess Dean thinks Osama is innocent.

 

[jayme]

I guess Dean thinks Osama is innocent.

I guess you are putting words in somebody's mouth to further your agenda.

 

[bart]

I agree, you do not have to put words in Dean's mouth to make him sound like an idiot.

He does that very well without your help, thank you very much...

 

[infoman]

Bart!

Six to nine round bursts. Nothing more nothing less.

Happy Holidays!

 

[Q200_FO]

CitationLover=idiot

 

[350DRIVER]

I guess you are putting words in somebody's mouth to further your agenda.

Exactly, he is a fool.

It is quite comical though to see how he tries to make a point by putting things into someone's mouth.

fool.

Au revoir,

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[bart]

It will be fun over the next few weeks as the primaries run in the South. Dean will talking about his personal relationship with God out of one side of his mouth and pandering to the liberals back home out of the other.

He will keep the talk show hosts rich in comic material.

I guess that is because he is a joke...

 

[Timebuilder]

I guess Dean thinks Osama is innocent.

If I said "Dean said today he thinks Osama is innocent", then I would be putting words in his mouth.

In this case, it is merely a possible interpretation of what he did say, quoted above.

In the strictest hypothetical sense, Osama could be found innocent. Perhaps if he were tried in Saudi Arabia, that might be the finding.

The question then is this: what reasonable person, knowing all of the tapes broadcast from Al Queda, and of the accounts of many people of the intent of Osama, to support his own words on those tapes, could reach an opinion of possible acquittal by a just court? Few people could resist the orange bill, the feathers, and the quacking to be indicative of anything other than a duck.

It reminds me of how Ira Einhorn said that his girlfriend, my neighbor, Holly Maddox, had actually been killed by the CIA and hidden in a trunk to frame him. Like the Hertz commercial, I have to say "not exactly".

Why then would Dean do this? One reason might be a deliberate attempt to curry favor with those who are sympathetic to Osama, particularly those who are a part of the "hate America first" crowd.

Perhaps he just enjoys making statements like this.

 

[PUflight]

What's funny is how someone will take one statement from Howard Dean and call him an idiot. I don't want to start a political war here or anything, but if I remember correctly our current idiot, I mean president, has made countless statements that have made him look like an idiot.

 

[Mogus]

I don't want to start a political war here or anything, but if I remember correctly our current idiot, I mean president, has made countless statements that have made him look like an idiot.

It's true. There are whole websites devoted to stupid quotes made by notable people.

Example: "Rarely is the question asked: is our children reading?" -George W. Bush.

But aside from his grammar, Bush is a smart man. Dean is not.

 

[Timebuilder]

but if I remember correctly our current idiot, I mean president, has made countless statements that have made him look like an idiot.

If you mean that Bush's lack of professional level communication skills, or the unpracticed manner of someone who is unguarded in his casual speech is a reason to call someone an "idiot", then you may have a case.

Howard Dean has ideas that are at odds with the values of the United States and most of her people, yet he still persists in trying to convince us that his ideas are more appropriate than our ideas. I think that qualifies as an idiotic platform, if not the candidate himself.

 

[Brett Hull]

My personal favorite (the wife got me - I mean herself - the "Bushisms" calendar for Christmas):

"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again."

 

[jayme]

Timebuilder, you are right. I guess citationlover didn't put words in Howard Dean's mouth. But what would you call it? It obviously wasn't an objective observation.

And please, could you tell me what ideas Howard Dean has that are

at odds with the values of the United States and most of her people

.

To get back to the original post, I think Mr. Dean was trying to say that he does not want to revert to days of lynch mobs and vigilantes. He would rather see this thing through by following principles that make this country what it is. Maybe he wants the United States to be seen as something other than a giant hypocrit. If we only apply "innocent until proven guilty" to certain cases, then what are we but hypocrits? There is no doubt in any of our minds that Bin Laden will fry for his crimes, so why worry about giving him a fair trial?

 

[350DRIVER]

I mean president, has made countless statements that have made him look like an idiot.

He is quite comical. He went in for the MRI on the knee and he gave the doctors a few laughs..


He said "why switch MRI, I am happy with AT&T". I heard they had a pretzel standing by just in case they had to knock him out.


and we call him "president"- HA

Au revoir,

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[CitationLover]

the point is dean is politicizing a terrorist act against the united states and making it into bush's failure. imho, that is wrong.

dean is a doctor who thinks he knows everything. john edwards said it best when he said that the people of south need people like him to stop judging other southerners.

it's scary to be a democrat these days to see you have to vote for. bush isn't the greatest, but he is better than all the other candidates.

q200_fo i love you too. fuh-q.

 

[Timebuilder]

And please, could you tell me what ideas Howard Dean has that are

at odds with the values of the United States and most of her people

That's easy.

Over the past twenty of so years, America has expereinced an unprecedented shift toward the right, as baby boomers like myself, former lefties most of us, wake up to the fact that the left, at its core, hates America and all it stands for.

The Dean campaign has been all about galvanizing the remaining parts of the liberal movement, a la George McGovern. It is a campaign of reallocation and redistribution of wealth made possible by more government social programs and higher taxes, and a pacifist approach that kneels at the throne of the UN.

Other democrats are both bewildered and angry that Dean is helping to characterize their party as left wing extremists in the eyes of the public.

I hope that helps clarify why the Dean platform, in this more conservative American political environment, seems idiotic to me.

In France, he could be president.

 

[bart]

I will name two concrete examples of where Dean is at odds with the values of most Americans:

1) His opposition to the war in Iraq

2) Raising taxes

In a poll ran by Gallup last week, 54% of Americans supported the war in Iraq with 38% against.

In another CNN/USA Today poll, 68% of Americans support lowering taxes, with less than 8% supporting raising taxes.

On the subjective side, one can observe that Dean has a chameleon like stance on many issues of lesser importance. He also has committed the traditional Democratic Party sin of stereotyping and over-generalizing the South. I hope the Dems never figure out that the majority of Southerners, regardless of party run more conservative and are just as smart as their Northeast and left coast cousins.