More Delta TA details......Even MORE!

[spinproof]

You are really not going to like any form of PBS! It does not always honor seniority! The syntax you enter must be letter perfect and in order. Even then mayhem may follow!!!

 

[USCtrojan]

600 is a lot, especially when there's already 1000 on the streets. With 100 new 70-seaters, I'd really like to see some of those back to work at ASA/CMR. There are, however, many concerned (and rightly so) pilots about what that means, but I believe it is in the best interest of ALPA (as in national) to provide protections for both groups of pilots to prevent flying from being sent to Teamsters or non-union pilots. Hopefully some pride can be swallowed on both sides.

Totally agree, I hope we can work something out because a furloughed Delta pilot should not start at first year pay. I realize from management's standpoint that raises operating costs, but there has to be a way those can be absorbed. I mean, you're getting qualified pilots within the delta umbrella.

Trojan

 

[FlyComAirJets]

It should be quite simple integrating furloughed pilots at the bottom of an ASA/CMR list. There is already in place a fee for departure system in place for all DCI carriers including the whollly owneds. This accounting scheme would easily allow the difference between probationary pay and what a Delta furloughee would be paid to be placed on the mainline side of the ledger.

Since it is quite apparent that the furlughees are already taking it in the shorts with the recall delayed to '08, work rule changes, and (God forbid) a preferrential bidding system, it is about time that management gives them a little break.

 

[michael707767]

Curious about the -700 and -900 73s? Hadn't heard anything about this. Had a Delta pilot jumpseat last night and he thought the -200/-300/and 800(NG)s were all going bye bye so why the much larger 900?

either he misspoke or you did not hear correctly. The737-200, -300 and Gs are going away. The 800s are staying.

 

[JohnQ]

(God forbid) a preferrential bidding system

PBS is neither good nor bad. Each implementation and how the software is programmed is unique. It can be as bad or good as you make it. Ask any NWA guy if he is willing to give up his PBS system--usually it would be over his dead body. I have a friend who is furloughed from AMR, but was former TWA who could not believe the "shortsightedness" of American for NOT having a PBS. I know guys who LOVE PBS compared to traditional line of time bidding--and I know guys who hate it.

At DAL, PBS is coming. Unlike other places, (and unlike the system forced on our FAs, for example) PBS will not be "turned on" until next summer at the earliest, and then only after our ALPA PBS Working Group has approved turning it on.

Does that mean it will be all things to all people? Of course not. But it is not necessarily as evil as some might think.

 

[FlyComAirJets]

JohnQ,

I think you may have missed my point, each of the three things I mentioned, the delayed recall schedule, work rule changes that will have active pilots flying more, and the implementation of a preferrential bidding system, are going to delay recall of the furloughees for years Most people understand the effects of the first two but I wasn't sure if the potential impact of the third was understood.

As for the intrinsic merits of PBS, that should be examined in detail in a separate thread of its own. You and Spinproof are correct, properly implemented it can be a good thing but watch out for the details. Here at Comair they have been futiley trying to get a replacement for our Project Mercury-era SBS (honestly, it is writtern in Fortran!) for at least half a decade.

 

[michael707767]

PBS is neither good nor bad. Each implementation and how the software is programmed is unique. It can be as bad or good as you make it. Ask any NWA guy if he is willing to give up his PBS system--usually it would be over his dead body.

I have a buddy who flies for NW. He loves PBS. As JohnQ said, PBS is not good or bad. Neither was our old system. It's the implementation that matters. And on that we'll see.

 

[Russ]

There are issues at the basement level that determines if PBS will work as viewed from a pilot perspective, pairings, domicile size, variety of trip lengths, etc. It seems to work out for management without the tweaking (and software) required for it to work for the crews.

If the individual trips are lousy then a PBS bid will only provide you with a month of lousy trips.