More 70 seat jets for SkyWest

[BID]

More 70 seat jets for SkyWest?


I went ahead and deleted the press release. A buddy of mine noted it is dated 4/4/2005. I think it was a mistake of our company to post this ahead of time and I am not sure of the rules about taking something from a website and reposting here. So I will play it safe and delete it. The relese should be done by corporate and not here.

Sorry,
Sincerely,
BID

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[711-24-7]

Never Mind.

 

[Mesa Fan Club]

That is bad news. No wonder moral at Skywest has dropped to a new low. 52 CRJ700's would make me want to whine on flightinfo on how life is so tough at skywest.

 

[Crossky]

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According to our CEO's conference call in New York, we had 3 RFP's. and one was for 20 jets. So this release is not surprise.

Anyway, I am not too excited about this. Morale is low at SkyWest, we feel managment has let us down. The pilot group is getting pushed around more than ever before, especially in the last couple months.

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You're 'not too excited' about 20 more A/C and even faster upgrades? Aww, can you hear my finger and thumb violin of sympathy? This is another precursor of us (AWAC) losing RJ's and shifting them to 'Titanic' US Airways, another move eastward we don't feel like making. I translate being 'not too excited' as feeling a little guilty for replacing another carrier's flying. Well, enjoy it, please.

You all give good service and have great looking FA's. I've seen you complain before about the way your management is treating you. Why don't you consider a union vote for ALPA, not "an unproven in-house union" like last time? At least with a union, management has to abide by the pay, bennies, and work rules you're made legally binding, you have a course of action to take when they abuse you past your work agreement (grievance), and you don't have to worry about pay freezes or cuts they alone mandate.

SkyWest Pilots, having and being in a union isn't about job protection or milking the cow, it's about getting what you're worth, especially these days.

As a bonus, SkyWest management might have an easier time buying and integrating ASA or Comair. Think about it a little bit.

 

[nimtz]

Hey how's that 18 month TEMPORARY pay scheme going along? When was that little agreement put into place again?

 

[mckpickle]

Hey how's that 18 month TEMPORARY pay scheme going along? When was that little agreement put into place again?

bout 26 months ago?


Can someone post the Skywest 70 pay scales.............................oh never mind.

 

[Turbine Pilot]

""Why don't you consider a union vote for ALPA, not "an unproven in-house union" like last time? At least with a union, management has to abide by the pay, bennies, and work rules you're made legally binding, you have a course of action to take when they abuse you past your work agreement (grievance), ""

I disagree with this statement. I have been screwed out of over $10,000 dollars here at MESA thanks to ALPA dropping my greivence I filed which we would have easily won, but I think Mesa threatened to lay off some pilots if we won. I have been screwed many times and Alpa does nothing. They wine about getting volunteers well screw them, I pay my dues and they are required to do their job and if they need volunteers then those are the suckers working for free. Have you heard of the pilots getting pushed around here at mesa. Alpa has done shiiiiiiii for us.

 

[DoinTime]

I have been screwed out of over $10,000 dollars here at MESA thanks to ALPA dropping my greivence I filed which we would have easily won, but I think Mesa threatened to lay off some pilots if we won.

Everyone says that.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

I disagree with this statement. I have been screwed out of over $10,000 dollars here at MESA thanks to ALPA dropping my greivence I filed which we would have easily won, but I think Mesa threatened to lay off some pilots if we won. I have been screwed many times and Alpa does nothing. They wine about getting volunteers well screw them, I pay my dues and they are required to do their job and if they need volunteers then those are the suckers working for free. Have you heard of the pilots getting pushed around here at mesa. Alpa has done shiiiiiiii for us.

MESA ALPA can NOT drop your grievances for you. Only you can decide to pursue, or not pursue, a grievance. Also, it isn't "ALPA" you are upset at...it is MESA ALPA. Make sure you understand the difference.

-Neal

 

[Tooslow]

Coooool, more 70 seaters to fly for 50 seat rates.... That is so awesome.......

 

[capt. megadeth]

If the pilot group can afford it, an in house union is the way to go. ALPA is just like any corporation in America....out for themselves.

 

[Bluto]

Maybe, but Expressjet showed how well a regional can make use of ALPA national's many assets. The in-house union that was proposed at SkyWest looked to me like it would share many of the problems of our current representative structure. It would have relied on pilot volunteers for expertise in areas (like legal representation) that I feel are better left to industry experts. If I'm having legal problems, for example, I'd rather not rely on the guy who reviews my case while in cruise, and at the overnight, regardless of how well-intentioned he is.

While I'm glad to see growth at SkyWest, I hate to see Air Whiskey losing out on their flying. I am very concerned that SkyWest management has expressed zero desire to either offer a meaningful increase in pay to the CRJ fleet, or split the 50/70 fleet with a higher rate for the 70. Additionally, while SkyWest's representative body has expressed its support for pilots who prefer not to fly or be trained on the 70, upgrade classes are being given the 70 training as a part of the syllabus regardless of their desire. This is especially disconcerting because recently, management has had a problem covering 70 flying and has assigned 70-qualified crews 70-seat lines regardless of their bid. If we keep buying 70s and stop buying 50-seaters it will become more and more apparent that our pay structure is inadequate.

 

[cargojunkie]

ALPA at the regional level is a joke. There is a conflict of interest and the union should no even be allowed to exist. Who pays ALPA....the major airlines.....who do the regionals work for....the major airlines... ALPA is a joke.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

ALPA at the regional level is a joke. There is a conflict of interest and the union should no even be allowed to exist. Who pays ALPA....the major airlines.....who do the regionals work for....the major airlines... ALPA is a joke.

Thank you for such an insightful post. Are you fully aware of the ALPA structure and how it works? Are you aware that National is nothing more than a toolbox of resources? Each MEC makes up its own agenda, whether it is a mainline MEC or a small jet MEC. What personal experiences with ALPA are you basing those comments on? By the way, I am pretty sure us "lowly 50 seat jocks" pay ALPA too...at least the 1.95% that is payroll deducted seems to make me think so.

-Neal

 

[cargojunkie]

ok if ALPA was real there would be no airline allowed to hire scabs for growth.....republic.shuttle..go jets and all the other mesa types...... awac pilots contract and pay cut problems would not exist. It's all about money ALPA does not care. Who are they to tell me to vote for dumb ass kerry.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

ok if ALPA was real there would be no airline allowed to hire scabs for growth.....republic.shuttle..go jets and all the other mesa types...... awac pilots contract and pay cut problems would not exist.

These statements are indicative of a deeper problem on your end I think. Scabs? Shuttle America, Mesa and CHQ pilots are scab pilots? Last I checked they are union-represented and none of their pilots crossed picket lines, which is the true definition of a scab.

Also, I think you need a little education in the role of unions and what their limits of control and leverage are. Do you honestly think that ALPA or any other union could physically stop a mainline carrier from awarding their flying to the lowest bidder? If the pilots of those carriers want to ratify contracts below others that are currently out there, that is their own perogative. Does it have effects? Of course. Are they scabs? Not by a long shot. Please try to remember, ALPA (and other unions) do not run airlines. To think that way is a dangerous and erroneous way of thinking my friend.

It's all about money ALPA does not care. Who are they to tell me to vote for dumb ass kerry.

Who are you talking about when you say "ALPA doesn't care?" Who exactly doesn't care? I'm at a loss here. Do you think there is some boogey man behind the Wizard of Oz curtain that controls ALPA and all of its 43 MEC's and 66,000 pilots?

Also, nobody told you who to vote for...ALPA did, however, endorse a political candidate - just as most labor unions do, they endorsed a pro-labor democrat. Go figure. Not much of a shock really.

-Neal

 

[Bluto]

Thanks for your insight Cargojunkie. Now why don't you go back and feed your cargo addiction while the big kids talk about serious issues.

 

[Crossky]

I sympathize with you, at Great Lakes the Teamsters were worthless, except after 9/11 for a while. I don't want to get into the insidious ways of ALPA and the negative ways they've served the RJ pilots, and bamboozled the Mesa pilots, with JO's help. So please excuse me from that; the facts are the more your dues are the more they will serve your interests. Lately ALPA national seems to be more attentive to the RJ flyers needs and wants, but you can be sure that most of the time they stay quiet when we are getting screwed and only trumpet their horns when we succeed.

However, a union, even a weak local union, is most of the time better than no union. RJ pilots would be better served if we had a separate national union, though.

 

[FDJ2]

RJ pilots would be better served if we had a separate national union, though.

In what way?