Moonlighting: Flight instruction and 121

[cargoflyr69]

I'm wondering if as a 121 line pilot I could still give flight instruction on the GA side of things on my days off. Seems to me that flight instructing isn't really commercial flying, that is counting against the FAA max of 1000hrs/yr of flight time, since in many cases a CFI isn't even required to have a current medical. What are your thoughts on doing this? Just looking for a way to have some fun flying GA on the weekends now that the weather is getting better.

 

[Spinn555]

Depends on the policy of your 121 company. Some don't see Part 61 flight instruction as hours that can go against the 100/mo max.

 

[jtf]

It seems to me that flight instruction is commercial flying and that at a 121 carrier you can do 1000 hours a year of commercial flying. Most, if not all, carriers strongly frown on any outside commercial flying and require permission from the chief pilot for ANY outside commercial flying since it can directly affect their utilization of you. You may be able to get permission if you are hired part way into the year and there is no danger of you exceeding 1000 hours a year or 100 per month or 30 per week or 8 per day (but still unlikely). Maybe you could do simulator instuction on the side, but anything in an airplane other than flying in a noncommercial way is gonna cause trouble without permission from the airline you work for. You could also do all the ground school work you want. I guess you could also play with fire by giving the instruction and not logging it in your logbook and/ or hoping that nobody looks there if you do and exceed any FAA limitations.

 

[scubabri]

ANSWER: §_61.23(b)(5); Yes, in accordance with §_61.23(b)(5), a flight instructor who does not hold a medical certificate may give flight and ground training and be compensated for it. In the preamble of the parts_61 and 141 final rule that was published in the Federal Register on April_4, 1997 (62_FR_16220-16367) when the FAA revised the entire Part_61, the FAA stated the following in the Federal Register on page_16242 in response to whether a medical certificate is required for a flight instructor to give ground and flight training:

“ With respect to the holding of medical certificates by a flight instructor, the FAA has determined that the compensation a certificated flight instructor receives for flight instruction is not compensation for piloting the aircraft, but rather is compensation for the instruction. A certificated flight instructor who is acting as pilot in command or as a required flight crewmember and is receiving compensation for his or her flight instruction is only exercising the privileges of a private pilot. A certificated flight instructor who is acting as pilot in command or as a required flight crewmember and receiving compensation for his or her flight instruction is not carrying passengers or property for compensation or hire, nor is he or she, for compensation or hire, acting as pilot in command of an aircraft . . . . In this same regard, the FAA has determined that a certificated flight instructor on board an aircraft for the purpose of providing flight instruction, who does not act as pilot in command or function as a required flight crewmember, is not performing or exercising pilot privileges that would require him or her to possess a valid medical certificate under the FARs.”

 

[acaTerry]

121.517...pretty clear. ALL commercial flying, plus flying under 121. Read it 2 or 3 times, it takes that many times to make sense.

 

[LegacyDriver]

I did it my entire life as an F/O. My company paid me less as am F/O than as a CFI. I charged $30/hour CASH and kept an entirely seperate logbook for my instruction. Nobody knew (nor will they ever). My CP actually gave me the idea about a seperate logbook when I asked him about it.

Don't ask, don't tell.

 

[cynic]

Or..... get a job that pays a living wage

 

[cathal]

Mesaba's manual specifcally allows part 91 flight instruction by its 121 pilots.

 

[cargoflyr69]

Cynic: I actually am paid a wage that works for me any my lifestyle, thanks. Unlike many folks I actually like to teach flying and share my experience and love for aviation with others.

Cathal: Does Mesaba specify if 91 dual given counts against your 100/1000 hour limits? Do you have to submit that flight time to the company?

 

[cathal]

Part 91 instructing, as far as XJ and the FED who approves our ops handbook are concerned, is totally independent of 121 flying. You can fly all you want as an instructor. Whether or not showing up to work having flown 45 hrs in a week is careless/reckless could still be open to interpretation though.
On a personal note, consider another hobby. Few airline pilots want to sit next to someone who talks about flying all the time. Can I get an AMEN?

 

[labbats]

I'm not even an airline pilot, and I'll give you an AMEN

 

[Flyingtoohigh]

who wants to talk about flying all day when you have booze and women?

 

[MYFpilot]

who wants to talk about flying all day when you have booze and women?

I agree, but how about a little football thrown in between the women and booze.

P.S. F Eli Manning. He's a little whining punk biatch.

Oh, and SkyWest doesn't care if you instruct on the side (no time limits) just as long as it doesn't conflict with your SkyWest schedule.