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General Lee

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Moody's Cuts Delta Rating, Cites Protracted Pilot Talks
Tuesday February 17, 5:58 pm ET
By Elizabeth Souder, Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES


NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Delta Air Lines Inc. (NYSE:DAL - News) got a vote of no confidence Tuesday from Moody's Investors Service (News - Websites) , as the airline struggles with the highest pilot salaries in the industry.
On Tuesday, Moody's cut Delta's debt rating to B3 from B1, keeping the airline's bonds in the junk category.

The ratings agency cited Delta's weak cash flow, limited prospects for near- term yield improvement and difficult cost-cutting process.

Delta remains in the red. The Atlanta airline in the fourth quarter turned a net loss of $327 million, wider than the $363 million net loss the year before.

And analysts from Moody's and other research groups say the airline's costs are worrying. Delta's cost per available seat mile, which measures the cost to fly one available seat one mile, rose 4.5% to 10.87 cents for the quarter. Competitor UAL Corp. , which is restructuring under bankruptcy protection, had unit operating costs of 9.85 cents during the quarter.

"This continues to show you the challenges we are facing," Peggy Estes, a spokeswoman for Delta, said of Moody's action.

The trouble is, Delta pays its pilots more than other airlines pay their pilots, so Delta's unit costs are comparatively higher than its peers. Some analysts estimate Delta's pilot salaries are around 30% higher than those of other major airlines, and twice as high as the industry average.

Delta's new chief executive, Gerald Grinstein, continues to negotiate with pilots for pay cuts. Moody's said in a research note explaining the downgrade that talks could drag on, slowing down the necessary cost cuts.

"The timing of labor negotiations could be protracted and as such could bring substantial further deterioration in financial strength during that process," Moody's said.

Analysts with investment banks and other research groups agree.

One analyst, who declined to be named, said investors are worried Grinstein will insist on a perfect contract that slashes salaries until they are marked to market and alters work rules to match competitors. Naturally, pilots resist such deep cuts, and it could take years for Grinstein to convince pilots to accept such concessions, the analyst said.

On the other hand, most analysts say Delta isn't likely to have to file for bankruptcy. Moody's put a stable outlook on Delta's rating, reflecting the airline's "strong liquidity position" and the expectation that Delta can manage its cash flow through aircraft financing and by cutting capital spending.

Delta's cash and balance sheet liquidity are sufficient to make debt payments, pension payments and capital spending, Moody's said.






Bye Bye---General Lee:rolleyes:

PS--Read the last three paragraphs. We are willing to give them probably 20% NOW, and some benies. But, Grinstein wants it all.......
 
General Lee said:

And analysts from Moody's and other research groups say the airline's costs are worrying. Delta's cost per available seat mile, which measures the cost to fly one available seat one mile, rose 4.5% to 10.87 cents for the quarter.


PS--Read the last three paragraphs. We are willing to give them probably 20% NOW, and some benies. But, Grinstein wants it all.......

Hey General,

I thought you said DL had reduced its costs. This article says your costs are actually rising.

What's with the WE are willing to give 20%? You're the only DL pilot I've ever heard willing to give that much. The few others I've heard from won't go near that number.
 
I hate to admit it, but I agree with the General.

This article is full of BS. It makes too many assumptions with little to back it up. Lazy reporting at best.

It is redeemed, slightly, by almost criticizing Grinstein for his desire for the perfect contract. They need to mention that the pilots are willing to settle now and management is stalling.
 
Medflyer,

Well, of course costs for the pilots will go up because according to our contract we have a 4.5% raise due in May. Also, do those CASM rates include the higher RJ CASMs of Comair and ASA? I think they do. The 20% figure I keep stating is from most of the Captains that I fly with---they agree that they would give a 15% straight cut right now--plus the 4.5% raise in May--which equals close to 20%. Does that make sense to you? I am not hiding anything here, and I know that we have a debt problem etc....I can see that. I also know that Dalpa has the door open RIGHT NOW--and we are due a raise in May according to our contract....

As far as other costs rising---that isn't our fault---we are responsible for our contract, and that is a fixed cost---they know exactly how much we cost and will cost until the end of it in May, 2005. The 20% is also just a straight pay cut--and that doesn't include some per diem cut of some sort probably, and medical cost cuts (raising premiums for us), and also some small productivity increase---probably a few hours added, but anymore tied in with furlough recalls. I think all of that together might equal MORE than 30%--who knows? And, through all of this---Grinstein wants even MORE, without giving us any idea of where it would go, who else might "share the pain." We don't know of any other cuts besides the small cut the stews got, and the 8% paycut the CFO got (who makes well over $1 million). We actually care, and most guys are probably fine with about 15% off right now, and losing the May raise---but I am not a negotiator.


Flyboeingjets,

I don't know exactly what is going on, but I really want this to be settled. I hope they can work it out and we can go forward. I have 21 more years to go hopefully......


Bye Bye--General Lee
;)
 
Grinstein doesn't have the timing for the "perfect contract". Economy is improving, air travel rebounding - he isn't going to convince the pilots the sky is falling. Its like I posted about a year ago - UAL had the gun to the head cocked and ready to fire - HUGE concessions, AA had the gun out of the holster - big concessions, Delta mgt can't go that far. I think it will take another major terror event, which is of course very possible, to force the concessions he wants. Let's all hope Delta prospers BIG time with close to the current contract - keep the bar up there fellas!!
 

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