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Typhoon1244

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Originally posted by Typhoon1244
Mr. Concorde, can you tell us something about, say, the Concorde that would convince us you actually fly it? Something operational, for example. Something like...can the "nose droop" be deferred? Can the afterburners be deferred? What's the maximum tire speed? Can it be dispatched unpressurized? Can you describe the emergency descent profile?
You all might be interested to know that I got a P.M. from Mr. Concorde in reply to this post. He thanked me for being the only person to finally ask some intelligent questions, and asserted that I'm probably one of the few people on this board who's really a pilot.

He didn't answer any of my questions, though. In fact, he wanted to know what exactly I meant by "deferred."

:rolleyes: Unless they don't have M.E.L.'s at British Airways, I think that says it all.
 
I guess because HE didn't send me a Private Message that he must not believe a word I said. That Hurts !! Whaa
 
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nosewheel said:
I guess because HE didn't send me a Private Message that he must not believe a word I said. That Hurts !! Whaa
Nor I. And, me, too, apparently.

At least my time is in airplanes and not Microsoft Concorde Sim.

On a more serious note, it would be interesting for a real Concorde pilot to post stories about flying that magnificent airplane. The only thing I've read about flying the Concorde is an article Richard Collins wrote about fifteen years ago after flying the Concorde sim.
 
Another P.M. Maybe I was wrong...


Mr. Concorde wrote:
Typhoon,

OK then let's cut straight to the chase... I have a flight at 10:30 tomorrow morning over to JFK, and I am..... nackered, if I say so myself...

Anyhow,

1) There is no discreet answer to this question, in ways that both of these functions can be 'deferred'. Allow me to explain: let's take a look at the Nose System, the Concorde could indeed take-off and fly with it not attatched to the aircraft, although for starters you would be unable to exceed Mach .95 which is the speed at which the 'cone of death' as they used to call it begins to form around the aircraft suring its acceleration through the speed of sound... I'll just say that if you did, the sudden release of air (which, incidentally, creates a suction on the entire forward area of the aircraft) would implode the Main Windshield, exposing the whole interior to a 'horizontal tornado of wind' comprising of extreme cold and hot gases... this would not create a nice sight, and chances are you would not have time to notice at the speed of which it would happen.
Secondly, coming along to your query on the afterburners... I'll say it is possible to take-off without the use of afterburners, however doing so would be suicidal lol; for starters, once the aircraft is clear of the runway, chances are the power produced would be insufficient to create enough energy in order for the steep angle of attack ahead, and another thing to take into mind is the fact that the afterburners are a part of the engine... burning on pure fuel, the casing is attatched to the HyperFan system inside the Jet Engine which in turn allows engine cooling once the aircraft comes back through Mach 1. If you have ever looked closely at the front of a Concorde engine, you will have noticed a large 'flap area' which opens and closes to aid in cooling and controlling the amount of air and in which direction it passes around the engine, and this 'area' has long tubular canals which run the length of the engine to the afterburners. which, when engaged, open the flaps so as to let more air into the engine to help power the hydrogen, acting as an ignition source for the fuel. You may be surprised that an aircraft such as Concorde relies so heavily on such a dangerous gas; if you would like to know more about this, then please don't hesitate to ask!

2) De-pressurization... I remember it well as must all Concorde Pilots... cutting straight to the chase, let's just say that in the unlikely event (the figure being something around 1/7,000,000) of a window blowing out, well, as you can see if you have ever been up close to a Concorde, the windows are extremely small (pity this as you can catch great views!), around 6x3 inches, and this cut's down the possibility of this type of emergency arising, but in the case of this happening, the seat-belt and no smoking signs would be left as they are (not much point at Mach 2.04), and engine power on all engines brought back to 70%; this would lower our speed to about Mach 1.7, a safe speed to begin a descent. The passengers, at this point, will be in their seats; Concorde's windows are made in miniscule 'cubes', so if a window were to blow out, there would be a hole no larger than your or my thumbnail. The oxygen masks would be deployed from their position above the seats, and the passengers told via PA to enter the Emergency Position (head between knees and arms folded over head whilst holding on to the seat in front, or if not possible, the side of the seat). The passenger next to the window would by now be either pulled out through the window (even through a hole the size of our thumbnail...), or was holding on tightly to his/her seat, although the strength needed to do this would be phenominal. The engine flaps would be fully closed and the Hyper Fans engaged. This means that only a small amount of air would enter the engine, therefore slowing down speed greatly. Any air pressure in the engine would be released via 'spill doors' on the underside of the engine.
To answer your question in short, I'll say that Concorde has an excellent safety record, and if in the very rare occassion that something like this did happen, the above procedures would be followed and the aircraft brought back to a safe speed and descended to 35,000 feet. From there on we would guide (guide, not glide just so you don't misread!) the aircraft to the nearest airport at as slow a speed as mathematically possible. There are numerous airports in the south of Greenland which would be available from France/England to the US, and vice versa, so we always have plenty of options available to us.

3) Ah, nice simple question! Concorde's tyres will withstand a speed of up to 900 knots during any take-off/starting roll (which has never been recorded lol!), but if you are talking about maximum touchdown speed, the figure would be between 300 and 400 knots, taking into consideration the weight of the aircraft and the general condition of the tyres themselves.

4) The 738 has been in service since 1996 over here ( I am not sure about the United States, but since you are the ones who make the Boeing series...); up until then I was flying the 733 and 734. I joined British Airways in 1997 flying the 744, and joined the Concorde Fleet in 2001 (shortly before September 11th, so I was in just in time too!). My training was completed seven months ago, and as you know I am now First Officer (or simply Co-Pilot as we are known on Concorde), and my final ambition is to make it into that all-redeeming left-hand seat!

Hey, this message took longer than predicted to write lol but it's always nice to hand out details, just to keep up to spec!

If you have any more questions at all, please do ask, and I shall answer as accurately to my knowledge as I can.
 
bobbysamd said:
On a more serious note, it would be interesting for a real Concorde pilot to post stories about flying that magnificent airplane.

Maybe one of these days whenever I am not out spraying crops I'll jot down a note or two regarding my old Concorde days and post them, interesting reading to say the very least.
 
"4) The 738 has been in service since 1996 over here ( I am not sure about the United States, but since you are the ones who make the Boeing series...); up until then I was flying the 733 and 734. I joined British Airways in 1997 flying the 744, and joined the Concorde Fleet in 2001 (shortly before September 11th, so I was in just in time too!). My training was completed seven months ago, and as you know I am now First Officer (or simply Co-Pilot as we are known on Concorde), and my final ambition is to make it into that all-redeeming left-hand seat!"

Smell more B.S.!!!!! Don't know if this link will work or not, but it is from the Boeing website showing the dates of all of the deliveries of the 737-800, none of which start before April 1998. I don't know how Europe would have received any two years previous!

Just curious why British Airways would continue to hire pilots into the Concorde while it was still grounded following its July 2000 crash. It didn't even fly until after September 11th and even then didn't have its airworthiness yet. Seems just a bit odd.
 
I'm just a SWA poolie waiting to start class but I seriously doubt that the Concorde's tires (or tyres to go british) are rated up to 900 knots. And I doubt that their approach/touchdown speeds are anywhere near 300 to 400 knots. From what I could find poking around the internet takeoff speed for the concorde is around 195 kts and landing around 165 kts. (conversions from MPH in my head so don't go try to land one at these speeds, always refer to the POH, one of which mr. concorde does not appear to have, unless I'm completely misreading his message)

I actually found a link talking about the accident and it said that for the tires "the speed rating is unusual--a very high 279 mph."
not quite 300-400 knots.

And I had always heard the nosecone droop was all about giving the pilots some visibility in the landing flare not really anything to do with the transonic region.
 
BA and the 738? Rubbish!

Uhh, I haven't followed this thread except for what's been been posted in this thread, but if Mr. Concorde is claiming he flew the 738 for BA its a flat out lie.
BA hasn't even touched any members of the 737NG family...they instead went with the A32x family. recently opting to convert the ever-delayed 318 options to A321-200s. BA's stated fleet goal at the time of ordering was to use AI for narrowbodies and Boeing for long-haul widebodies.

BA has only operated the -200 through -500 models of the 737 family (this includes their partner carriers such as GB Airways and Maersk, although Maersk does have a few NG aircraft that are not operated on BA services.)
 
Here is an excerpt from one of "Mr. Concorde's" earlier posts where he said he went to easyJet on the 738 and "gained another 2500 - 3000 hours", then acquired a 747 type rating (on his own with the money he earned), then went to Virgin, and finally recently joining BA on the 747 and "simultaneously" joining the Concorde fleet. Note:

"Well if you would like to know detail, I started off in the Learjets flying corporate for a company called Zurich, then (lucky me!) recieved by application acceptance form from easyJet to begin on the -800s. From there, I built up between 2500-3000 hours and acclaimed a 747 type rating (the money saved up over a period of three years from my previous job) and applied for the Virgin Atlantic scheme, which was not, at the time, taking on new pilots. So there I was, flying the 737s for a while, constantly waiting for that letter from Virgin saying they are opening their doors once again, and voila! Yes, it may have taken another year and a few months, but the result was definetly worth it! It was then that I developed by interest in the Concorde, watching them fly overhead on my twice-daily crossings to the US (even so, I only ever spotted two or three in that time!), so I thought, the only way this is ever going to happen is by the British Airways route, so yes, I am again on the move, getting myself a 747 position with British Airways (contacts, my friends, contacts is key!), simultaneously joining the Concorde fleet (this meaning you are 'on hold').


Now note the difference in his time-line that he claims in his PM to Typhoon, and how he backtracks off of his claim he joined easyJet "to begin" on the 737-800. Now he FIRST flew the -300 an -400 before the -800 arrived in 1996. What about Virgin? What about "NOW, I'm on the move again, joining BA on the 747 while "simultaneously" joining the Concorde fleet"??


4) The 738 has been in service since 1996 over here ( I am not sure about the United States, but since you are the ones who make the Boeing series...); up until then I was flying the 733 and 734. I joined British Airways in 1997 flying the 744, and joined the Concorde Fleet in 2001 (shortly before September 11th, so I was in just in time too!). My training was completed seven months ago, and as you know I am now First Officer (or simply Co-Pilot as we are known on Concorde), and my final ambition is to make it into that all-redeeming left-hand seat!


I can't believe I actually wasted more time posting about this imposter. I certainly will waste no more. He is obviously a complete BS artist. Although, I give him too much credit using the term "artist".
 
LOL!

900 knot tires?

300-400 knot Vref?

hydrogen powered engines?

At least this guy has been gifted with a fertile imagination. Thanks for posting, Typhoon!
 
kaptin kurk

im not saying i believe or dont believe in this....but heres something fun. Saw this on a talk show some night long ago.

Aparently on a Star Trek chat room. William Shatner actually logged in and started talking to people. Noone believed he was the real Kirk and there were 4 other people competing to be recognized on that board as the real thing...People were asking all sorts of qualifying questions. I don tthink anyone ever believed him. Quite humorous.
 
Somewhere some semi-illiterate 13 year-old plane spotter is peeing his pants because he's laughing so hard over the fact that he's gotten so many pilots to even consider that he might be the real thing.
 
...and the fuel burn during taxi- all engines running- is 60,000 lbs/hour.

Can I have a type rating too?
 
Concorde autothrottles

underdog said:
ooh, ooh, ooh, hey, hey, FlyChiga, calll on meee, call on mee...I KNOW THE ANSWER

There is one autothrottle for each engine.

There, now I can add the Concord to my type rating list.
Excellent post from Capt. Horshack. :)

That is true about the Concorde. I remember Richard Collins writing about the airplane's autothrottles in his article of several years ago. Cool devices - dial in the airspeed you want and it is maintained.

Also read about the flight deck being tiny and cramped compared to your garden-variety subsonic widebody. Of course, Embraer copped the Concorde's yoke for the Brasilias!
 
BELIEVE IT OR NOT !!!

Thursday afternoon I was channel surfing( I don't have a job) and I ran across Miss Oprah. Her guest was none other than MR. JET PILOT himself ,The great aviator of my liftime , JOHN TRAVOLTA.
He was explaining what makes airplanes fly. I watched the segment because this was free ground instruction and I hate PFT.
Anyway, when a guest asked what his next goal was after all his accomplishments I figure it would be a 50 million dollar movie.

He says" I think flying the Concorde would be fun."

If he does this then we can invite him to join the board and he can keep MR. CONCORDE on the straight and narrow path.
 
LF-507-1F? Thread creep alert!!!!

Lycoming Fanjet...507?...1F = 1 Fadec (for a total of four on the aircraft) That's not related to the concorde...but the engines that power the RJ-85.

Had the industry not gone down the crapper, the RJX was to have TWO autothrottles per engine and NO direct mechanical linkage to the fuel control unit at all. It's the wave of the future. I think the concept was fuel savings by not having a human pilot actually handling the throttles most of the time. There would still be thrust levers there, but all mechanical linkages would be gone. (I'm sure the fire handles would still sever the fuel connection via mechanical cable, but you'd have no manual reversion on the thrust levers). So you would have manual input to the fadecs, through the thrust levers or click one or both of the autothrottle engage buttons on the back side of thrust levers 2 and 3, and off you go. Max continuous, REDU, and TOGA power settings were set at a little box on the copilots side. So pushing a button gets you all of those power settings. Your V speeds were also bugged into this box, by reading off of the TOLD card for weight. Nifty set up. If you decide on a speed, turn the knob on the upper left hand side of the mode control panel and speed is dialed in.

I believe the RJ-85 was allowed to be dispatched with one fadec inop. (it's been a while).

Thanks for the memories...sorry to have digressed from the flailling of the concorde guy. If any of my BAE knowledge is in error, you can beat on me all you want, the info is two years old and I never actually flew the plane physically, nor was I typed in it.
 

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