Missed Approach from a circle to land

[Duke of Ale]

Where can I find what the missed approach procedure is when you miss on a circling approach?

Example: At KIND, cleared for ILS 32 circle 23R. You line up with 23R and for some reason you have to miss.

I have always been taught that you do the missed approach procedure for the ILS32.

I have done a search here and come up with nothing so I would like some help please.

Thanks

 

[Flightsafety]

http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/AIM/Chap5/aim0504.html#5-4-19

5-4-19. Missed Approach

c. If visual reference is lost while circling-to-land from an instrument approach, the missed approach specified for that particular procedure must be followed (unless an alternate missed approach procedure is specified by ATC). To become established on the prescribed missed approach course, the pilot should make an initial climbing turn toward the landing runway and continue the turn until established on the missed approach course. Inasmuch as the circling maneuver may be accomplished in more than one direction, different patterns will be required to become established on the prescribed missed approach course, depending on the aircraft position at the time visual reference is lost. Adherence to the procedure will assure that an aircraft will remain within the circling and missed approach obstruction clearance areas. (See FIG 5-4-20.)

 

[midlifeflyer]

Re: Missed Approach from a circle to lan

Where can I find what the missed approach procedure is when you miss on a circling approach?

Example: At KIND, cleared for ILS 32 circle 23R. You line up with 23R and for some reason you have to miss.

I have always been taught that you do the missed approach procedure for the ILS32.

I'm not sure I understand your question.

You are cleared for the ILS 32.

Rather than a straight in, you clearance specifies that you are to circle to land on runway 23R.

Your IAF, FAF, MDA, MAP, altitudes, minimums, frequencies, headings, timings, applicable notes, etc, etc, etc are all on the ILS 32 chart.

What makes you think that the missed approach procedure on the chart =doesn't= apply? (unless ATC advises differently, of course)

The procedure for getting into the procedure is the one Flightsafety described.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Re: Re: Re: Missed Approach from a circl

Cause following the straight-in missed approach procedure while circling to a different runway could leave you as a greasy spot on adjacent terrain.

Guess you missed the part of my reply that said
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The procedure for getting into the procedure is the one Flightsafety described.
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..and which you just repeated.

Reading is fundamental.

 

[avbug]

Cause following the straight-in missed approach procedure while circling to a different runway could leave you as a greasy spot on adjacent terrain.

No, it won't. Failing to follow the missed approach proceedure could do that to you, but following it will NOT.

A missed approach proceedure is not merely for a straight in approach. If circling minimums are applied, then the missed approach proceedure applies to circling, too. Are you not familiar with circling obstacle clearance criteria?

Circling obstacle clearance criteria does not account for attempting to circle below the circling altitude. However, the reason that circling minimums are higher than straight in minimums is to account for circling while staying within the circling approach area radii while maintaining obstacle clearance. If one executes the missed approach within these radii, one has obstacle clearance so long as one remains at or above the circling minimums and executes the missed approach from this position.

One is to continue in a climbing turn in the direction of the circling maneuver, until established on the missed approach course.

If terrain or obstacle protection is an issue, the missed approach will be modified or have specific instructions. Commonly, one may be told not to circle left, or right. This may be for missed approach proceedure purposes, or for obstacles, or noise abatement. The purpose is really not relevant. If the proceedure gives certain provisions, these must be adhered to.

If you are flying a given approach, you execute the missed approach for that proceedure, and no other.

Most missed approach procedures have an initial turn that is away from the highest terrain.

Not necessarily. What would make you think that?

Doing the prescribed turn during a miss from a circling approach could result in the airplane flying into the highest terrain.

Not if you're following the missed approach proceedure. Why do you suppose a missed approach proceedure is published? To kill pilots less sharp than yourself, or perhaps just to ensure terrain and obstacle clearance while providing an order to flight operations?

After getting enough altitude to clear terrain, intercept and follow the straight-in missed approach procedure for the approach flown. (ILS 32 in this case).

What's this fixation you have with a "straight-in missed approach proceedure?" How many approaches have you flown that have separate missed approach proceedures for a straight-in, vs. one for circling? It's a missed approach proceedure, not a "straight-in missed approach proceedure. The published missed approach proceedure applies regardless of weather one is landing straight-in, or circling, unless instructions are published to the contrary.

 

[avbug]

Lessee...what is it that you think you're saying here, oh bemused one? You have it all figured out. Don't get too lippy and full of yourself yet, because you obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about.

And, you might want to share your vast knowledge of TERPs criteria with the folks who write the AIM.

Alrighty then! Where to begin? You believe that the AIM supercedes any instrument approach proceedure, do you? You do understand that the AIM is not regulatory, whereas any instrument approach proceedure IS regulatory, don't you?

Wherein did I contradict anything in the AIM, kiddo? Got any references to that? The AIM very clearly states that when executing a missed approach when circling, you must continue circling toward the landing runway and continue the turn until established on the missed approach course. There isn't a missed approach course for straight-in vs. one for circling. You are flying the missed approach proceedure, period. How you become established varies, but it's the same proceedure. You do understand this, don't you?

The AIM states that you will fly the missed approach proceedure for the SIAP in use. This is what I stated one should do. The AIM stipulates that one will continue circling toward the runway until established on the missed approach course. I said the same thing...one must continue in a climbing turn in the direction of the turn (one will be circling toward the runway...only an idiot turns away from the runway to circle...) until established on the missed approach course.

The same missed approach course, I must add, that applies to the straight-in approach. Do you not understand that?

I believe midlifeflyer hit the nail on the head when he noted reading is fundamental. You should give it a try some time.

Where can I find what the missed approach procedure is when you miss on a circling approach?

AIM 5-4-19. For the specific missed approach proceedure, visit the proceedure you're flying. You fly the published missed approach procedure for the standard instrument approach proceedure you're flying, and no other. Period.

 

[cvsfly]

Lessee...what is it that you think you're saying here, oh bemused one? You have it all figured out. Don't get too lippy and full of yourself yet, because you obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about.



Alrighty then! Where to begin? You believe that the AIM supercedes any instrument approach proceedure, do you? You do understand that the AIM is not regulatory, whereas any instrument approach proceedure IS regulatory, don't you?

Wherein did I contradict anything in the AIM, kiddo? Got any references to that? The AIM very clearly states that when executing a missed approach when circling, you must continue circling toward the landing runway and continue the turn until established on the missed approach course. There isn't a missed approach course for straight-in vs. one for circling. You are flying the missed approach proceedure, period. How you become established varies, but it's the same proceedure. You do understand this, don't you?

The AIM states that you will fly the missed approach proceedure for the SIAP in use. This is what I stated one should do. The AIM stipulates that one will continue circling toward the runway until established on the missed approach course. I said the same thing...one must continue in a climbing turn in the direction of the turn (one will be circling toward the runway...only an idiot turns away from the runway to circle...) until established on the missed approach course.

The same missed approach course, I must add, that applies to the straight-in approach. Do you not understand that?

I believe midlifeflyer hit the nail on the head when he noted reading is fundamental. You should give it a try some time.



AIM 5-4-19. For the specific missed approach proceedure, visit the proceedure you're flying. You fly the published missed approach procedure for the standard instrument approach proceedure you're flying, and no other. Period.

 

[cvsfly]

Sorry my computer is locking up - trying again.

.... The AIM very clearly states that when executing a missed approach when circling, you must continue circling toward the landing runway and continue the turn until established on the missed approach course. There isn't a missed approach course for straight-in vs. one for circling. You are flying the missed approach proceedure, period. How you become established varies, but it's the same proceedure. You do understand this, don't you?

The AIM states that you will fly the missed approach proceedure for the SIAP in use. This is what I stated one should do. The AIM stipulates that one will continue circling toward the runway until established on the missed approach course. I said the same thing...one must continue in a climbing turn in the direction of the turn (one will be circling toward the runway...only an idiot turns away from the runway to circle...) until established on the missed approach course.

The same missed approach course, I must add, that applies to the straight-in approach. .....

AIM 5-4-19. For the specific missed approach proceedure, visit the proceedure you're flying. You fly the published missed approach procedure for the standard instrument approach proceedure you're flying, and no other. Period.

Sounds pretty clear to me. Perhaps the original poster is coming from an airline enviroment that prohibits circling and is now in the corporate world with no such restrictions. The initial confusion on circling is understandable and may give all of us a moment to refresh on the subject. If you are operating with out clear company/training guidelines for circling and are a little rusty, don't do them. At least set some personal limitations as to when and where. Consider unfamiliar airport, high terrain, low time in type, night, etc. Fly safe - and get along!

 

[transpac]

Not sure what the argument is after avbug's most recent post. Along with being insulting as usual, he now agrees that the first turn on a miss should be toward the landing runway instead of following the published initial stages of the missed approach procedure. That's 100% in agreement with both the AIM and my earlier posts.

 

[avbug]

No, Transpac, that's incorrect. My posts have been accurate and consistant; your failure to read and comprehend hasn't changed that. If you find that insulting, it's only because it's fact.

Here's a fact. To quote you:

Cause following the straight-in missed approach procedure while circling to a different runway could leave you as a greasy spot on adjacent terrain.

You are 100% incorrect. That response was provided by you when Midlifeflyer asked you why you thought a missed approach proceedure wouldn't apply.

You incorrectly suggested that there is such a thing as a straight-in missed approach proceedure, suggesting that a different proceedure applies when circling. It does not.

However, when circling, one must take into account where one is in relation to the missed approach course. If one is circling left to a runway and the missed approach proceedure called for a right turn initially, of course one wouldn't turn right...because that's not part of the proceedure when engaging in a circle-to-land.

There is one proceedure. How one becomes established is dependent upon where one is at the time of the execution of the missed approach.

The next time you miss on a circle, go ahead and make that immediate right turn the straight in miss calls for. I just hope you're solo and not in a valuable airplane.

Don't be an idiot.

That's 100% in agreement with both the AIM and my earlier posts.

Possibly so, but unimportant and relevant, as the approach proceedure in question is regulatory and mandatory, whereas the AIM is not.