Mirror mirror on the wall whos the angriest union of them all?

[D'Angelo]

You mean like YOUR pilot group did for 89 days? Only to later sell itself out for promised growth that never came? It would almost be worth it to visit the unemployment line in a few months just to laugh at you.

It was a matter of bad timing really. The problem was that in 2001 union greed was rampant and out of control. They were trying to get as big a piece of the pie while some money was still being made. They had absolutely no regard and or foresight for what would happen in case the economy went bad and to have a contract that is sustainable in the down times as well as the good times. Im not saying anyone should have foreseen September 11. Absolutely not but the economy was going south one way or the other. Airlines were actually starting to lose money in early to mid 2001. The last few years before that everyone was making money hand over fist. I would have rather got a fair contract in the upper middle area of the back than a "bar raising" one. Raising the bar now a days puts nothing but a big target on your back. Are southwest pilots next? Only time will tell. Its nice living on the planet earth again.

 

[flx757]

I will instead exercise my right to speak my mind and tell them to get lost I work for comair NOT ALPO.

Sure. As long as you can do it anonymously so no one knows who is really "speaking their mind". That pretty much says all anyone needs to know about YOU. So...go ahead. Exercise that "freedom". No one is really listening. It's like background noise. When YOU have something to say, maybe someone will care. But as long as you are just a voice in hiding, I doubt anyone hears.

 

[doh]

Yep to see who the most annoying union is in every "fellow pilots" opinon. So lets hear it. Im saying ASA's "were entitled to everything" union. Between the endless hours of whining and expecting everyone to make sacrifices for them they easily take the take for most angry and most annoying unions.

D', I don't want to harp, but you really need to learn to express youself. We all make typos, but this is over the top. It should say ...is every pilot's opinion. And ..."we're entitled to everything"... It is hard enough to try and make sense of the garbage you post. Please try to express yourself a little more like a professional and less like MissKittyKat. Thank you.

 

[atrdriver]

ATR please don't confuse D'Angela with the rest of us at CMR. If you want to attack him that is perfectly fine with me but do not attack the rest of us. I have no beef with you or anyone else at ASA so just direct your response to the person who deserves it. D'Angela UBA757

I don't confuse him with anyone else at CMR. I supported your strike, pays assessments, and sent as much as I could to your strike fund. But I'm just a little sick of hearing this POS attack my pilot group, when we did all we could during and after your strike to fight the numerous attacks that fell on both of our groups.

 

[doh]

But I gotta say, I crack up over a lot of what he posts.By the way he writes, you know he never met an english class he liked. And the content! Come atr, laugh a little!:beer:

 

[D'Angelo]

But I gotta say, I crack up over a lot of what he posts.By the way he writes, you know he never met an english class he liked. And the content! Come atr, laugh a little!:beer:

Hey man look on the autopilot panel. I see no commas, apostrophes, contractions or any other crap! Since I am not required to I use no spell or error check. Oh well if you get your jollies that way its all good. It definately is not listed in the job description.

As for you ATR your pilot group has done nothing but attack us since we started deciding for ourselves what is best for us. You can truly only fall on your sword so many times before you realize no one gives a crap about anyone but themselves. This is the new airline industry not the old one. If you do get that "bar raising" contract however have fun while you can at the top. What goes up always must come down. :smash:

 

[wmuflyguy]

That is it, this moron gives me the chance to tryout the ignore feature..

 

[doh]

I was just pointing out that you could be a decent human being and write a little better. It would help to sort through the garbage you post. I geuss the decent human being part was a long shot, but I am an optimist.

 

[737 Pylt]

I joined because at the time comair was a good place to work, fit my living situation well and they were hiring a lot. So what if they have a union there.

Then quit your crybaby whining about a union!

Doesn't mean everyone should have to join just because a union is there. Comair called me first, I took the job and here I am. Im not backing a way just because some union things they can force everyone into joining or at least pay mx fees. I am confident that some day forced unionism will be gone. It may take a while but it will happen.

Dream on!

The problem is unions have infected almost every airline with their lies, anger, and fear tactics. Its going to be hard to get them to turn the volume down a lot. Just because a union is at the airline doesnt mean you have to accept it. I work for the company not the union thank you very much. I made the best choice I could at the time and its worked out well. Im not going to let the fact that some union is there change my mind. I will instead exercise my right to speak my mind and tell them to get lost I work for comair NOT ALPO. They dont seem to understand that but they will in time. This is also why I still pay my dues for now, I knew the dues coming in and I still pay them. Doesnt mean i have to like it. I still want to vote.

Your answer is baseless! You speak a lot but aren't saying anything!
Don't pay your dues, go into bad standing, and when you have that F.A.R. violation, call your civilian lawyer and have him back you up. The sad part is that this prick will HAVE to be represented by the union he despises so much!
737

 

[D'Angelo]

Then quit your crybaby whining about a union!



Dream on!



Your answer is baseless! You speak a lot but aren't saying anything!
Don't pay your dues, go into bad standing, and when you have that F.A.R. violation, call your civilian lawyer and have him back you up. The sad part is that this prick will HAVE to be represented by the union he despises so much!
737

Again I knew the terms and im paying my dues. What I am saying however is forced union dues is cowardly and wrong. They are hiding behind the RLA which BTW is way to liberal as it is. You say dream on I say the campaign is alive and well. One of these days in the future the revolution will begin. Forced unionism will be a thing of the past. The anti union movement is gaining steam. I continue to pay my dues because I want to be able to vote. BTW why is the union so cowardly to not let 1st year employees vote on issues? They are just as much employees as everyone else and have every right to vote on issues pertaining to them. Its a crock is what it is. The union is too scared because they havent been able to brainwash and harass the newbies who may not think their way. I pay my dues doesnt mean I have to like it! If I go into bad standing and do not pay mx fees I would probably be fired because the union is too much of a coward to allow free membership and reveal ALL finances and VOTE each year on if they want to keep the union in or not.

 

[flx757]

And you are too much of a coward to voice your opinion in the open and must hide behind an anonymous internet message board. Therefore nothing you say has any credibility and no one hears a word of it.

Why don't you take your own advice and live your own life the best way you know how and not worry about everyone else. If you truly believed this you wouldn't be on every thread on these forums pushing YOUR ideas and opinions on everyone else.

 

[atrdriver]

BTW why is the union so cowardly to not let 1st year employees vote on issues? They are just as much employees as everyone else and have every right to vote on issues pertaining to them. Its a crock is what it is.

You don't pay dues your first year, thus you don't get a vote. You do still get represented if something happens to you. And it would be unfortunate indeed if ALPA has to represent someone such as you should you screw the pooch.

 

[D'Angelo]

You don't pay dues your first year, thus you don't get a vote. You do still get represented if something happens to you. And it would be unfortunate indeed if ALPA has to represent someone such as you should you screw the pooch.

Doesnt matter if you pay dues or not. You are still an employee of the company and therefore you should have the right to vote on issues that affect you. The probationary members have no option to pay dues the first year. They are forced to sit there and take whatever is voted in without being allowed to vote. Pretty cowardly of ALPO, what are they afraid of? What are they trying to hide from? Why wont they disclose how ALL monies are spent?

 

[flx757]

. Pretty cowardly of ALPO, what are they afraid of? What are they trying to hide from? Why wont they disclose how ALL monies are spent?

You are afraid to post this stuff on the ALPA boards because you don't want anyone to actually know who you are. Pretty cowardly of YOU. What are you afraid of? What are you trying to hide from? Why won't you disclose who you are?

Sounds like a typical hypocrite to me.

Why don't you follow your own advice and just worry about yourself?

 

[D'Angelo]

You are afraid to post this stuff on the ALPA boards because you don't want anyone to actually know who you are. Pretty cowardly of YOU. What are you afraid of? What are you trying to hide from? Why won't you disclose who you are?

Sounds like a typical hypocrite to me.

Why don't you follow your own advice and just worry about yourself?

Dont worry in time these questions and more will be brought full steam ahead at the union. All in good time my friend. The revolution needs to pick up steam first. The union would just love to know who I am so they can find any reason to get rid of me. Too bad ALPO your gonna have to sweat for a while. So how bout you answer my questions. What are they hiding from? Why are they so cowardly to let 1st year employees vote on issues when they have no choice to pay dues or not the 1st year. Why are they so afraid? Or is alpo afraid to answer the tough questions?

 

[flx757]

No more afraid than you are, "my friend".


By the way, at my airline, no one pays dues their first year. As was that the case at every other union carrier that I worked for. Sounds like your local council at Comair is the one you should be directing your questions to.

 

[wmuflyguy]

I love this ignore feature, I don;t have to read D'angelo's post.

You don't pay dues at Comair 1st year either. I didn't get to vote on the paycut i'm going to take, that is life. I knew what I was getting into.

 

[D'Angelo]

and everyone should have been allowed to vote on the paycut. Everyone is dodging the issue. No one should be forced to join any organization. We have the freedom to work for who we want to and associate with who they want to. everyone is too afraid to face the fact that ALPO is all about control and doesnt want everyone to have a free vote.

 

[737 Pylt]

Again I knew the terms and im paying my dues. What I am saying however is forced union dues is cowardly and wrong.

You mean like posting behind an anonomyous name on a web board!

They are hiding behind the RLA which BTW is way to liberal as it is.

The RLA was created FOR the employee you MORON! If you had a clue you'd understand that. Again, you are saying a lot with out saying anything!

You say dream on I say the campaign is alive and well. One of these days in the future the revolution will begin. Forced unionism will be a thing of the past. The anti union movement is gaining steam. I continue to pay my dues because I want to be able to vote. BTW why is the union so cowardly to not let 1st year employees vote on issues? They are just as much employees as everyone else and have every right to vote on issues pertaining to them. Its a crock is what it is. The union is too scared because they havent been able to brainwash and harass the newbies who may not think their way. I pay my dues doesnt mean I have to like it! If I go into bad standing and do not pay mx fees I would probably be fired because the union is too much of a coward to allow free membership and reveal ALL finances and VOTE each year on if they want to keep the union in or not.

Translation:
Blah blah blah....More useless drivle from you. If you don't like it, quit the union! Write a letter to the association and tell them you are dissatisfied with their services and you no longer wish to be a member, go in bad standing, tell payroll that you no longer wish to pay union dues! You say you don't like alpa, no problem, one last question for you brainiac. When you screw up, and you will, will you call on the union you so blatently hate to defend your dumba$$ or will you call your own attorney, since you seem to be doing so well on f/o pay at a regional????
Enquiring minds and all that........
737

 

[D'Angelo]

You mean like posting behind an anonomyous name on a web board!


The RLA was created FOR the employee you MORON! If you had a clue you'd understand that. Again, you are saying a lot with out saying anything!



Translation:
Blah blah blah....More useless drivle from you. If you don't like it, quit the union! Write a letter to the association and tell them you are dissatisfied with their services and you no longer wish to be a member, go in bad standing, tell payroll that you no longer wish to pay union dues! You say you don't like alpa, no problem, one last question for you brainiac. When you screw up, and you will, will you call on the union you so blatently hate to defend your dumba$$ or will you call your own attorney, since you seem to be doing so well on f/o pay at a regional????
Enquiring minds and all that........
737

I will NOT ask for union help if I ever do get terminated. If I do get terminated it will be one of two things. 1 it will be some type of screw up that even the union couldnt save in which case the union would not help. If it is a wrongful termination I will read the law, get a lawyer and will ultimately prevail. Unions want everyone to think they cant live without them. Its time for that to change. I would be delighted to quit the union and with hold my dues however they must change the forced unionism/mx fees first.

So why wont you answer my questions? Do you think all should have a vote in the issues? Do you think there should be a vote every year on if people still want the union or not? Do you think the union should show how they spend ALL of their money? Why do they hide so much? Why are they so afraid to put everything to vote? The RLA was created for the employee however it is far too liberal. No more strikes, no more falling on your sword.

 

[wmuflyguy]

I can't hear you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is great.

 

[Crossky]

I will NOT ask for union help if I ever do get terminated. If I do get terminated it will be one of two things. 1 it will be some type of screw up that even the union couldnt save in which case the union would not help. If it is a wrongful termination I will read the law, get a lawyer and will ultimately prevail. Unions want everyone to think they cant live without them. Its time for that to change. I would be delighted to quit the union and with hold my dues however they must change the forced unionism/mx fees first.

Quit your idiotic posts long enough to check and see if CMR is chartered under an open shop or closed shop state. What is it OH, KY, or GA? Open shop laws mean you don't have to pay union dues if you don't want to (and not be a member either obviously). Closed shop laws mean you have to pay dues no matter what and it's your option to join the membership or not. Your local union should honor the open or closed shop laws which apply.

Let's take a poll on who is the most hated poster. You would easily make the top 5! Punk. You're like a booger that's not even worth picking, just blowing out my nose, no tissue or anything.

 

[doh]

Quit your idiotic posts long enough to check and see if CMR is chartered under an open shop or closed shop state. What is it OH, KY, or GA? Open shop laws mean you don't have to pay union dues if you don't want to (and not be a member either obviously). Closed shop laws mean you have to pay dues no matter what and it's your option to join the membership or not. Your local union should honor the open or closed shop laws which apply.

Let's take a poll on who is the most hated poster. You would easily make the top 5! Punk. You're like a booger that's not even worth picking, just blowing out my nose, no tissue or anything.

I am not so sure that state law applies to RLA governed carriers.

737, I am not so sure that the RLA was ever actually meant to help employees. I think it was sold that way, but its real intent was to prevent strikes and wear down labor to the point that we would take anything to get at least some small raise.

 

[D'Angelo]

KY and OH are not right to work states. It doesnt matter with the RLA anyway. You can still be forced to pay dues. No one will answer my question because the simple fact is ALPO is too cowardly to have an open shop. The RLA has had many benefits for employees. It most certainly has let airlines throw tantrums errr I mean strike in the past. Sure clinton ordered AA back to work but that was great leadership really. The alternative is having no RLA and simlply either never being allowed to strike or being fired as a result of participation in the strike.