midwest is dead

[carl p]

Sorry to all the Midwest people, I know what it feels like. It's time to burn it down and send a message to the scumbags running the joint. At best, a year from now you'll all be regional pilots with no hope of ever making a decent wage. Best of luck guys/gals.

 

[Superpilot92]

Shut it down, its nothing more than a last minute finger in the Eye to all the midwest employees. I just threw up a little in my mouth......

 

[deadstick]

Where is CL??

TH...what a piece of work. Now how does the concessionary pay scale compare with the equipment change?

I hear the flu is going around the D concourse.

 

[scarlet]

Good for NWA people-another 15 million to an Airline that is going to be next to nothing...Give that money to your own people for the rape you have given them in the past 8 years....

 

[CRJDog]

not at all the same. Air Wiskey was being cut from united, so they had to go somewhere to get work.

Same enough. You got screwed by UAL so bought your way into US therefore made any growth of PDT and PSA more difficult. PSA pilots did step up and told Parker to shove the 900's up his @ss because he wanted to pay 200 rates.

You paid to play and your MEC stood there and watched it happen. Simple as that.

RAH is now doing it to Midex. A good bunch of folks are about to lose their jobs. RAH pilots better step up and show some decency to make that transition impossible or very expensive.

 

[IAHERJ]

How funny it seems now after Midwest(with the unions on board) snubbed the offer from AirTran. Let's see, I seem to remember being at AirTran when another airline did the same thing because the were "going to team up with SWA". What happened to them? That makes 2 airlines that could have pilots employed at AirTran wages flying 717's and 737's but either have liquidated or are on the verge after turning their backs on the AirTran offer all the while their pilots were too good to fly for that low fare carrier.

 

[labbats]

How about easing up on a lot of people who are about to be tossed on the street?

I highly doubt the pilots went to management and told them they were too good for AirTran.

I realize this board is anonymous, but regardless of that fact we should all realize that we could be next to be furloughed.

 

[Jetpipeovht]

Even if they took the offer, I think they just would have bought the gates, slots, the remaining 717's and sold the rest along with "elimination" of the pilot jobs anyway. AAI "eliminated" what? 169 pilots. Midex guys would have been stapled to the bottom and lost their jobs.

Midex just wanted to maintain the status of a hometown airline instead of getting bought by a scumbag-scab ridden outfit like AAI. I mean come on AAI. Management definitely let them down with their lack of leadership and to find ways to gain more profitability.

Pilots are top notch and great guys and gals in and out of the Flight-deck.

Best wishes to you! Good luck Midex crews!

 

[T3700]

Actually, Airtran's union was willing to discuss a relative seniority merge. Midwest's union demanded date of hire. A lot of those Midwest pilots would have kept their jobs at Airtran. (Until Airtran follows Midwest down the same path as Midwest)

 

[CitationLover]

Actually, Airtran's union was willing to discuss a relative seniority merge. Midwest's union demanded date of hire. A lot of those Midwest pilots would have kept their jobs at Airtran. (Until Airtran follows Midwest down the same path as Midwest)

It's all fine in a hypothetical world.....

Look at the history of non-ALPA mergers and what the bigger airline did, then you can understand the apprehension. How "terrible" of our MEC to "demand" date of hire, oh yeah they did their job and represented us.

Even if the MEH MEC said, "Yeah, AirTran", the deal STILL WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DONE.

This move is simply MEH management wanting $80 CA pay no iffs, ands, or butts. They'll simply get it by bringing in airplanes to support that. Horrible for all involved. It is funny though how the "outrage" amongst the Midwest pilots grow when their head finally is under the axe. When I was furloughed it was, "Sucks to be you" type of attitude. Comepletely different now.

 

[27 driver]

CL,
I hear ya man. I actally flew with captains that were bitching and whining about the horror of going back on reserve as I am being furloughed. Oh cry me a F%$#ing river. They were actually bitching to a guy that was losing his job. I didn't even know how to respond to that.

I really think the boys and girls at AAI need to take a good look at what is happening at Midwest. This could be you in a few months.

Best of luck to all the furloughed boys and girls out there. It will be a tough couple of years. I guess it is time to troll climbto350.

cya

It's all fine in a hypothetical world.....

Look at the history of non-ALPA mergers and what the bigger airline did, then you can understand the apprehension. How "terrible" of our MEC to "demand" date of hire, oh yeah they did their job and represented us.

Even if the MEH MEC said, "Yeah, AirTran", the deal STILL WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DONE.

This move is simply MEH management wanting $80 CA pay no iffs, ands, or butts. They'll simply get it by bringing in airplanes to support that. Horrible for all involved. It is funny though how the "outrage" amongst the Midwest pilots grow when their head finally is under the axe. When I was furloughed it was, "Sucks to be you" type of attitude. Comepletely different now.

 

[Jetjockey]

Just tell the senior guys with no compassion, that if they are nice, you will write them a recommendation letter for the next airline.

 

[freightdogfred]

Allz I gots to say is to that MEH captain who C@ck blocked me in MCI one night with his hot-azzed buxom FA, karma's a bitch.

Just kidding, good luck to youse guys

 

[FlyWolf]

funny though how the "outrage" amongst the Midwest pilots grow when their head finally is under the axe. When I was furloughed it was, "Sucks to be you" type of attitude. Comepletely different now.

Amen brother

 

[FlyWolf]

Will never forget what they did to us back in 01.

 

[FlyWolf]

Will the "6 in 6" dude lose his job or at least become an fo?

 

[CitationLover]

If only the senior pilots could act like #1 on the list. KK has always treated me well and is involved with what is going on here.

 

[Propsync]

This move is simply MEH management wanting $80 CA pay no iffs, ands, or butts. They'll simply get it by bringing in airplanes to support that. Horrible for all involved.

No. Nobody gets rid of that many airplanes just to get those payrates. Those 717's are going back to Boeing and won't be coming back. I don't think Boeing will just keep them around until Midwest gets concessions. All this move does is secures Republic's spot as Delta feed once the merger gets approved. Midwest will be disposed of shortly after that announcement.

 

[sitnresrv]

You guys couldn't be more correct. Back in '01, everyone to your face said were sorry to see you go and can't wait to get you back. When it came time to help with a furloughed pilot fund, it was voted down almost unanimously. This time around, when the first 35 guys were furloughed, our MEC didn't say squat and didn't seem to fired up about going public and attacking the company. When the announcement came about parking the 80's, same thing. Both of these occurances, the MEC had a phone conference with our MEC talking for about 2 minutes and then took questions, big waste of time. This time their very jobs are affected and the first thing they did was go public with a scathing comment about the company. We also had a phone conference the other day and our MEC chairman spoke for about 30-45 minutes hell bent on revenge against this company. Where was that before? Why all of a sudden are we so fired up? I know why, they are losing their jobs this time. We all have known that our union has heavily favored the senior, but what an eye opening to their attitude this time around. Most of these guys have never had to face this before in their Midwest career, unfortunately there are many that are becoming veterans to all this.

 

[Packdaddy]

lose 125 pilots,,,no big deal,,,lose 240, its "catostrophic" because there job is in jeopardy,,,,