Midwest fate with NWA/DAL merger

[CitationLover]

What are you smoking?

nothing. i'm not on any air tran koolaid.

 

[Propsync]

Wrong, the MEH MEC rescinded their support for the stand alone plan last summer. Who does AAI want to hurt? The Company or the employees? What would Tim H care if a 20 year 80 Captain was stapled to the bottom of a 3yr 328 captain. For some reason I get the impression there is a lot of open glue containers around your computer.

Fine. Just in the nick of time, too. Cause Tim played you guys like a fiddle and tossed you aside after he got what he needed.

My point was, it would be in AAI's best interest to hire a bunch of Skyway guys and staple Midwest. I would think it would create a good deal of turnover, even more if everyone became ATL based. It would be an opportunity to cut labor costs.

And really, look at one of your own and his posts about NW in all of this. DOH? Raise? Hahahahahahaha!

 

[PCL_128]

nothing. i'm not on any air tran koolaid.

Neither am I. But you do seem to be on some sort of strange NWA/MEH cocktail koolaid.

 

[CitationLover]

Neither am I. But you do seem to be on some sort of strange NWA/MEH cocktail koolaid.

a cocktail that has hope that i do not lose my job. something you trannies seem to gloat about in your continuous onsloats of "i told you so's". now that it is clear they are going to try and eliminate us, now the gloves can really come off. expect more anti-tran rhetoric.

 

[DASHDRIVER]

I love how people keep thinking this is so personnel. I am sure Tim is out to destroy every SkyWay pilot. I am sure that If a midex 17 guy went to the job fair Airtran would do the economically stupid thing and not hire them. I am sure the the AirTran union would staple every Midwest pilot. You people are hilarious.

This is about money people. Northwest got in bed with TPG for: Feed out of MKE, Back yard defense against LLC's, and possibly a replacement aircraft in the 717 (rumor coming out of NW training dept). MEH had a horrible fourth quarter and had to accelerate the phase out of SkyWay. Airtran is competing in MKE for Profit not to hold something over TH's head. If the DOJ will not approve a buyout of the insignificance of MEH/TPG/NW there will be no mergers anywhere in our industry.

Give me a break people. This industry is not the Kennedy assassination. It all makes sense if you follow the money.

 

[CitationLover]

Fine. Just in the nick of time, too. Cause Tim played you guys like a fiddle and tossed you aside after he got what he needed.

My point was, it would be in AAI's best interest to hire a bunch of Skyway guys and staple Midwest. I would think it would create a good deal of turnover, even more if everyone became ATL based. It would be an opportunity to cut labor costs.

And really, look at one of your own and his posts about NW in all of this. DOH? Raise? Hahahahahahaha!

the MEC did this and their political ploy has put their butts on the line, but our MEC's actions DID NOTHING to stop or prevent air tran's buyout. THEY LOST A BIDDING war to TPG fueled by NWA. get over it.

Tim is the bad guy here, but AAI would have dumped Skyway too, they were in a lose lose situation.

You laugh about the "raise" comment, but any integration / merger for NWA opens them up to Section 6. Why the f@#$ do you think they ONLY bought 47%? The want to extend this concessionary contract for as long as possible. I fully expect ALL majors (and FULLY support their efforts AS SHOULD YOU) to try to regain much that was lost in the aftermath of 9/11.

 

[CitationLover]

...I am sure that If a midex 17 guy went to the job fair Airtran would do the economically stupid thing and not hire them....

You forgot Dash about some of the comments in August about AAI's more "advanced" techniques of flying the 717. You know that pushing of the appr/land button, monitoring, and knowing some regulations is an "advanced" technique. So we're unqualified to some of them, but our "advanced" training is coming this year. But hey, do they have to know what "fetch" is (that is our "advanced" knowledge)? All I know is porn directs our training and that's pretty cool.

 

[CitationLover]

Let's get back to what is important now! Dana Jacobsen being suspended from ESPN's First Take for saying "F@#$ Notre Dame" at the Mike and Mike roast. That's controversial.

 

[PCL_128]

a cocktail that has hope that i do not lose my job. something you trannies seem to gloat about in your continuous onsloats of "i told you so's". now that it is clear they are going to try and eliminate us, now the gloves can really come off. expect more anti-tran rhetoric.

I'm not gloating about anything. I think it would be horrible for you guys to lose your jobs. The only people I want to see lose their jobs work at non-union carriers. I thought an AAI/MEH merger would have been best for both of us, but cest la vie. But I think you're crazy if you really believe that NWA is going to merge you guys into the mainline list. Sorry, but I dealt with the Red Tailed Monster for long enough to know how these people operate. As we speak, these management goons are dreaming up some convoluted new whipsaw. They have no intention to merge you into the mainline and treat you as part of the family. You're just another chess piece to be moved around to maximize their ego gratification.

 

[Kharma Police]

a cocktail that has hope that i do not lose my job. something you trannies seem to gloat about in your continuous onsloats of "i told you so's". now that it is clear they are going to try and eliminate us, now the gloves can really come off. expect more anti-tran rhetoric.

The gloves are really coming off?!? Man you are too funny! DOH all the way baby!!

 

[Moustache]

I'm not gloating about anything. I think it would be horrible for you guys to lose your jobs. The only people I want to see lose their jobs work at non-union carriers. I thought an AAI/MEH merger would have been best for both of us, but cest la vie. But I think you're crazy if you really believe that NWA is going to merge you guys into the mainline list. Sorry, but I dealt with the Red Tailed Monster for long enough to know how these people operate. As we speak, these management goons are dreaming up some convoluted new whipsaw. They have no intention to merge you into the mainline and treat you as part of the family. You're just another chess piece to be moved around to maximize their ego gratification.

Why would you want to see anyone lose their job, you are just another angry lib.

 

[PCL_128]

Why would you want to see anyone lose their job, you are just another angry lib.

Angry lib? I voted twice for Dubya, and I'm not angry.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

I'm not taking my gloves off. Its like -4 outside.

 

[CitationLover]

The gloves are really coming off?!? Man you are too funny! DOH all the way baby!!

yes. i doubt tpg will simply roll over their investment to some orlando slicksters.

 

[deadstick]

Tim is the bad guy here, but AAI would have dumped Skyway too, they were in a lose lose situation.

...but the AAI plan absorbed the Skyway employees.

All the other Midwest employees who work at the airport ought too look back a few years and get ready. I expect they will receive an offer letter from Skyway in the near future...along with a layoff letter from Midwest.

 

[Taildragon]

I'm not gloating about anything. I think it would be horrible for you guys to lose your jobs. The only people I want to see lose their jobs work at non-union carriers. I thought an AAI/MEH merger would have been best for both of us, but cest la vie. But I think you're crazy if you really believe that NWA is going to merge you guys into the mainline list. Sorry, but I dealt with the Red Tailed Monster for long enough to know how these people operate. As we speak, these management goons are dreaming up some convoluted new whipsaw. They have no intention to merge you into the mainline and treat you as part of the family. You're just another chess piece to be moved around to maximize their ego gratification.

Let me ask you something, have you ever had your job ripped out from under you? Jerk

 

[PCL_128]

Let me ask you something, have you ever had your job ripped out from under you? Jerk

I say I don't want them to lose their jobs, and that makes me a jerk? Oookaaay.

 

[Taildragon]

I guess your right, non-union guys don't deserve it anyway.

 

[CitationLover]

Let me ask you something, have you ever had your job ripped out from under you? Jerk

in PCL's defense, he is not one of the "i told you so" guys.

 

[PCL_128]

in PCL's defense, he is not one of the "i told you so" guys.

Thanks, CL. For what it's worth, I was one of the guys that supported a DOH integration if we merged, which would have negatively affected my own seniority. I have nothing against the MEH pilots, and I hope things turn out well for you. But my personal experiences with the scumbags in NWA management lead me to be pessimistic.

 

[fam62c]

the more the merrier to LGA. use those slots. hire all those skyway pilots. help em out. word of advice (or so i hear) don't look at the chicks boobs during the interview.

the next few months shall be interesting. word i've heard is deal approved, immediate nwa buyout, DOH merger with a 10% NWA pay raise. if we then goto delta, can be honored to be in the company of the general and join the dixie dummies.

Nobody knows what will happen next. I would expect that the TPG deal gets done but I don't see an immediate NWA buyout because that would require another DOJ review that would take longer than the first one. Also, if NWA has majority ownership in MEH it further complicates any DOJ review of any possible DAL/NWA merger. If NWA could have just bought MEH they would have done it. I think that TPG was brought in to try to make a timely DOJ approval more of a certainty. There's a big difference between being a passive investor and having majority ownership. If NWA/DAL end up having to do some divestment to get DOJ approval NWA's share of MEH could end up for sale(after they make a substantial payment to make TPG whole)........and the most likely buyer would be, you guessed it, AAI. All I know is that once the TPG deal closes MEH has no control over it's own destiny anymore.

 

[CitationLover]

Nobody knows what will happen next. I would expect that the TPG deal gets done but I don't see an immediate NWA buyout because that would require another DOJ review that would take longer than the first one. Also, if NWA has majority ownership in MEH it further complicates any DOJ review of any possible DAL/NWA merger. If NWA could have just bought MEH they would have done it. I think that TPG was brought in to try to make a timely DOJ approval more of a certainty. There's a big difference between being a passive investor and having majority ownership. If NWA/DAL end up having to do some divestment to get DOJ approval NWA's share of MEH could end up for sale(after they make a substantial payment to make TPG whole)........and the most likely buyer would be, you guessed it, AAI. All I know is that once the TPG deal closes MEH has no control over it's own destiny anymore.

no there would not be another approval as the buyout is a provision contained WITHIN the current deal, and thus they would be already approving that. the word we are hearing is that the DOJ is treating this as a NWA buyout.

MEH would have as much control over it's future as any other private enterprise. AAI without MEH has no need for more 717's. imo, they will be getting rid of theirs.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

no there would not be another approval as the buyout is a provision contained WITHIN the current deal, and thus they would be already approving that. the word we are hearing is that the DOJ is treating this as a NWA buyout.

MEH would have as much control over it's future as any other private enterprise. AAI without MEH has no need for more 717's. imo, they will be getting rid of theirs.

Everything said in this post I have heard from numerous other sources. That is exactly why it is taking so long. They were using TPG to expedite the DOJ approval, meanwhile the DOJ was like hold on there tiger, we know what your up to. If it gets approved it will be approved as a possible total buyout from NWA.