mid atlantic pay scales

[TWA Dude]

This will help negate the Nicolau award.

Ri-ight, dream on.

So what's the current status of the MDA lawsuit? You do know that it's normal to take seven years for it to wind its way through the system. I don't know if the case has any merit but even if wildly successful the best that can be hoped for is some money. No seniority lists will be revisited. Know how I know? Because Nicolau looked the MDA pilots specifically before he ruled.

 

[eaglesview]

Pilot flies an aircraft owned by company xyz. said aircraft is being flown under co xyz's operating certificate. Yet the arguement is pilot works for co ABC????

 

[becket]

Pilot flies an aircraft owned by company xyz. said aircraft is being flown under co xyz's operating certificate. Yet the arguement is pilot works for co ABC????

Exactly. See? It isn't that complicated. You know damn well MDA pilots were never considered mainline pilots. Playing stupid now and regurgitating lies and revisionist history won't change anything.

 

[C Festerpuss]

I am perplexified and consternated bout this here argument. I don see what fer yuall is jabbering about.

Once on a time there was this airline that had airplanes and they had a payscale, lesetwise that what this here thread title says and, yuall is yacking away at it. That airline don't exist anymore and it wernt much of an airline anyways.

I'm a thinkin that talking bout payscales at Eastern, Pan Am, TWA or Southern Airways might make jess as much sense. Southern Airways, now there wuz a real airline. A different shot glass ever year. My cuzin chester gots a whole lot of em. His ole man waz a mechanic on them ole Martins.

 

[ALPO]

Once on a time there was this airline that had airplanes and they had a payscale, lesetwise that what this here thread title says and, yuall is yacking away at it. That airline don't exist anymore and it wernt much of an airline anyways.

So your saying USAirways doesn't exist anymore? Your saying just because they had a different paysclae they weren't USAir pilots? Is there not a scope clause that says only USAirways pilots can fly USAirways airplanes? I'm sorry, if your in a flying a plane on the USAir certificate using the USAir callsign your on the seniority list. This was no different than MetroJet, Song, or Ted, just because it has a different name doesn't make it a different airline.

 

[ALPO]

Again a downgraded Captain could not bid a captain seat at MA unless he/she was furloughed!

And what does that matter?

 

[Crzipilot]

actuallt there was a clause, a ML guy could have opted to fly the 170 w/o being "furloughed"

 

[charlie2]

Ri-ight, dream on.

So what's the current status of the MDA lawsuit? You do know that it's normal to take seven years for it to wind its way through the system. I don't know if the case has any merit but even if wildly successful the best that can be hoped for is some money. No seniority lists will be revisited. Know how I know? Because Nicolau looked the MDA pilots specifically before he ruled.

I wasn't MDA but I'm routing for them. They are slowly getting to the point where the judge will decide if it will go to trial and I think she will and ALPA will immediately offer to settle (again). My thinking here is that only members of a union can sue a union for a failure of DFR right? So if they get to go to trial doesn't that mean a judge agrees that they were members of the US Airways pilots union? How can you be a memeber of a union without being an employee? Ya I know the original intent was not to have it part of mainline but sometimes things don't go as planned do they? I believe thay started the process about 5 years ago so they are getting close to your 7 year estimation!

 

[charlie2]

OK, what part of you had to be furloughed from mainline USAir to be at MA don't you understand? Just because your management was not smart enough, to get a seperate certificate does not mean that you were a mainline pilot. Again a downgraded Captain could not bid a captain seat at MA unless he/she was furloughed! Get over it! How many times is a judge gonna have to tell you guys this for you to believe it?

I understand perfectly that the origianl intent was to staff MDA with furloughed mainline. After the original plan failed they became mainline pilots as an unintentional recall from furlough.

 

[Sandhawk]

actuallt there was a clause, a ML guy could have opted to fly the 170 w/o being "furloughed"

Um, yeah, Paul, how many took them up on that one ????

 

[TWA Dude]

I wasn't MDA but I'm routing for them.

I don't think they have much of a case but I'm not routing against them. Talk of the suit having any effect on the Nicolau list, however, is a guarantee to get ex-AWA pilots against them.

My thinking here is that only members of a union can sue a union for a failure of DFR right? So if they get to go to trial doesn't that mean a judge agrees that they were members of the US Airways pilots union?

I don't think anybody disputes the MDA pilots were ALPA so I wouldn't get too excited.

Ya I know the original intent was not to have it part of mainline but sometimes things don't go as planned do they?

Again, I haven't read the complaint so I don't know how they approached the issue but suffice it to say in some ways they were mainline and in some ways they weren't. US Airways certainly operated MDA as a separate division.

I believe thay started the process about 5 years ago so they are getting close to your 7 year estimation!

Thanks for the update.