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The 50-Seat Jet Non-Conundrum
When They're Gone, They'll Be Forgotten
Over a decade ago, Global Fleet Trend & Demand Forecasts accomplished by Boyd Group International were alone in predicting that the market role of the 50-seat (and misleadingly named) "regional jet" had reached its peak and the orders for these aircraft were in line for a major drop-off.
We advised our OEM clients that the demand for these small jets had essentially already been met, and there was an unattainable "order glut" that would not ever be fully produced. (For example, at one time, the combined Delta system had nearly 1,000 of these things on order and option.). We pointed out that the huge orders seen in the 1990 - 1995 period were due to airlines filling a fleet gap, and not due to long-term intrinsic demand.
Needless to say, that went counter to ambient thinking at the time. Needless to say, the rest of the consulting industry harrumphed loudly at this obvious nonsense. "Everybody knew" that RJs were the future of airline planning.
More Heresy: Loss of 50-Seaters Won't - Won't - Leave A Hole In Air Service. Now that it's about as obvious as water over Niagara Falls, the demise of these flying machines is being confidently 'forecast' by all the industry cognoscenti. For entertainment value, the usual suspects in the consulting field are predicting all sorts of outcomes of the demise of 50-seaters from the US airline industry...

  • On one hand, we've seen Chicken Little "studies" propounding that there needs to be immediate action by the industry and government to deal with the air service disaster that will befall small communities around the nation when these jets go out of service. (After all, these are "regional" jets, right?)
  • At the other end, there are the enthusiastic prognostications that, because the glut of used RJs will cause lease costs to supposedly drop to somewhere just above annual payments for a used Toyota, there will be a resurgence in "regional" airlines and in rural air service. Little things like fuel costs, maintenance, and the less-than-stellar success of Independence Air and branded ExpressJet are not to be considered in this brilliant prognostication.
  • Somewhere in the middle, there have been some patently-crackpot suggestions - like, communities could acquire control of their own RJs and enter Air Service Valhalla, flying them where they want and making money with them where professional airlines couldn't. Or, the great opportunities for converting these airframes to air cargo are mentioned from time to time.
And as is usually the case with lightweight understanding of airline economics, none of these outcomes are in the cards, let alone being even a couple of ZIP codes close to reality. Small jet airliners are going away, just as did big fleets of 19-seat, 30-34-seat, and 50-seat turboprops. The air service world did not come to a crashing halt then. It just adjusted to new economic realities. It will in this case, too.
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What To Watch For. Sound & Fury Signifying A Non-Event. This November, at the 18th Annual Boyd Group International Aviation Forecast Summit, we're going to be covering the effects of a wide range of fleet changes on airports and communities.
As for 50-seat jets and their impending disappearing act, here are some of the dynamics we'll be discussing:

  • Economic Impact of Small RJs Is Vastly Over-Assumed. These are small jets, with "small" capacity. Their removal from airline fleets is more of a hole in the ATC flows than in traffic and revenue flows. At one major airline mega-hub, a Boyd Group study indicated that the retirement of all 50-seaters would result in loss of nonstops to over 30 destinations. That looks dire.
But when the traffic dust settles, factoring in reverse spill and other dynamics, the loss of passenger traffic at the airport would be less than 2.5% for the hubbing carrier - and that assumed no replacement with larger aircraft in any of the markets. Furthermore, much of this lost revenue would be replaced by higher-yield cross feed from other points on the carrier's system. (Remember, RJ-feed is expensive on a per-passenger basis.) Point: at worst, a wash for the airline.

  • The Dire Effects On Communities Are Also Over-Assumed. In fact, the retirement of these airliners can't come too soon for a lot of markets. Analyses by Boyd Group International have shown that in many communities, the retirement of 50-seaters will not result in lower schedule frequencies, as the veneer analysts are predicting. Current traffic demand at a large number of hub-spoke cities exceeds the per-flight capacity of these airliners - the markets need and will immediately support larger units of capacity.
  • No EAS Change. Certainly, there are some airports that will see negative outcomes with the end of this RJ era. Some EAS markets now served with poorly-filled RJs will find a surprise or two down the road, when there are no such aircraft left. But in most cases, these are communities that have alternative access at other regional airports. Muskegon traffic will completely shift to Grand Rapids. Grand Island traffic will shift to Lincoln, and so on. Finally, the retirement of 50-seat jets won't affect the rural communities that are already down to EAS service with single-seat airliners nobody wants to get on, anyway.
  • The Mission Applications of RJs Are Inaccurately Assumed. The veneer analysts assume that these jets are only used in small market applications. Wrong. Tell that to the passengers on a United flight between Denver and Phoenix, where some of the segments are, surprise! flown with 50-seaters, depending on time of year. The fact is that a lot of 50-seat lift is in missions that won't be materially affected after these machines take up their rightful positions in the desert or as integral parts of Budweiser displays at the local supermarket.
  • Retirement Decisions Will Likely Come Rapidly. Oil is again hovering over $100, and that will increase the imperative of getting more of these small jets out of the system. Delta has already moved to shift to larger units of capacity as they cull 50-seaters from their fleets. It's likely that subsequent to the consummation of the AA/US merger, there will be a round of fleet-rationalization that will see wholesale reductions in the number of 50-seaters over the next 3-5 years. There is no choice: the economics of these aircraft - regardless of lease costs - are going south fast.
Air Service Planning: The Go-Go Days Are Over. The end of the 50-seat jet era is only one outgrowth of the economic changes and new marketing imperatives in the airline industry. Airlines are not interested anymore in simple passenger growth. They are focused on improvement of ROI. Despite the babble about "ultra low cost airlines" that some analysts think are a dominant, industry-changing wave of the future (they are not), the air transportation system in North America is now reflective of a mature industry.
What this means is that there is no more "air service grab bag" - with the misleading assumption that there are lots of airlines for a community to go after. Just doing a blind study to "find the right airline," or trying to determine "where our people want to go" might thrill the C of C, but won't do diddly to attract airlines that no longer exist.
Bottom Line: The end of the 50-seat era is coming a lot faster than typically assumed, and with a lot less drama than it might appear.
There is air service life after 50-seaters.
 
I wonder if ten years down the road, there's gonna be a huge glut of 70-76 seaters that need to be rapidly dumped in the desert. It kind of seems that airlines are about to simply repeat the same mistake with bigger RJs.
 
I have read Boyd's "crap" for 17 years now. He has said the same thing over and over... Yes 50 seaters will shrink. Go away..,i don't think so... Delta wants 125 of them, UA a little more.. But yes 400 of them for one Major airline is over kill...
 
As self-loading cargo in the airline world I can't wait to see them go. I was on an an EV flight from DEN-TYS on an E135 a couple of months ago, that is just too long on that type of aircraft (although at least it wasn't a CRJ)
 
As self-loading cargo in the airline world I can't wait to see them go.

You answered your own conundrum, a ticket was bought, you went to the airport, you flew to a destination, you will repeat, over and over. You have slightly more say in the airline fleet composition than the pilot(who has none), by virtue of purchasing a ticket to a city pair.
 
As self-loading cargo in the airline world I can't wait to see them go. I was on an an EV flight from DEN-TYS on an E135 a couple of months ago, that is just too long on that type of aircraft (although at least it wasn't a CRJ)

Well at least it was non stop. Would you rather have had to make a connection in ORD or DFW or ATL? Have to deal with a possible misconnect situation? Maybe get stuck in one if these hubs for a few hours. Personally, I would rather nite the bullet for a couple of hours and be done with it.

Just my $.02
 
I think most would agree the CRJ is much more comfortable than the jet Brasilia. Less noisy, smoother pressurization, and definitely more roomy feel. Worst thing about the CRJ 200 is the window level.
Generally much superior comfort than the ERJ 135/145 has been most passenger feedback.


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I have read Boyd's "crap" for 17 years now. He has said the same thing over and over... Yes 50 seaters will shrink. Go away..,i don't think so... Delta wants 125 of them, UA a little more.. But yes 400 of them for one Major airline is over kill...

Stopped reading Boyd too. Once you realize half of his articles are boasting and another half is spent recapping then you move on.
 
You answered your own conundrum, a ticket was bought, you went to the airport, you flew to a destination, you will repeat, over and over. You have slightly more say in the airline fleet composition than the pilot(who has none), by virtue of purchasing a ticket to a city pair.


Oh I know and I survived but after that flight I switched over to F9 and their mainline option. I'm willing to pay the extra couple of bucks out of my pocket for that.
 

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