Mexican Airlines' Pilots

[FmrFreightDog]

In order to get a Commercial Mexican License or ATP, you have to be a Mexican citizen BY BIRTH. This is by mexican law and it's written on their SCT Regulations (Sector Communicacciones y Transportes) the equivalent of our DOT.

Bottom line, us gringos cannot be employed by a mexican airline.

Wait, Mexico has strict employment laws when it comes to immigrants??? Amazing. Perhaps us "gringos" to the north could take a cue or two from them. Nah, let's just continue to be the dumping ground of the western world.....

 

[AV80R]

I've seen and heard AeroMexico hundreds of times on the ground at various major airports and never once have I heard the scenario you described. Seems to me like you're full of sheeite....

I actually heard that twice in Atlanta; once when AirMexicana crew was talking to ATC but were very hard to understand (two different voices and both equally hard to understand), the second time was when Air France flew in and decided to taxi to their gate without talking to ground.

Wait, Mexico has strict employment laws when it comes to immigrants??? Amazing. Perhaps us "gringos" to the north could take a cue or two from them.

Amen!

 

[doh]

Three, and your asking that question proves you are indeed an idiot.

The relevance still escapes me. English is the language of aviation. I didn't make the rules. If the language were german instead, I would learn it to fly. Name calling does not change that fact. It merely underscores the irrelevance of your question.

 

[doh]

Wait, Mexico has strict employment laws when it comes to immigrants??? Amazing. Perhaps us "gringos" to the north could take a cue or two from them. Nah, let's just continue to be the dumping ground of the western world.....

Mexico actually uses violent and draconian measures to keep their southern boarder closed to illegal immigrants. Do a search and you can read all about it.

 

[Vaquero]

I ain't doi'ng dat job!

Well, I'm not about to go and pick oranges, cotton etc. Let them do it.
We demand it, they supply it, just like drugs. On the aviation side, they are making better wages and not lowering the bar for an airline pilot. Heard you are actually respected as a pilot down there.

 

[Panda]

Well, I'm not about to go and pick oranges, cotton etc. Let them do it.
We demand it, they supply it, just like drugs. On the aviation side, they are making better wages and not lowering the bar for an airline pilot. Heard you are actually respected as a pilot down there.

Very true. I have an uncle and several friends that are corporate pilots. The pilot community is a small one. Flight Training is very expensive for the average mexican to afford and the credit/student loan market is non existant south of the border. As a result, the supply of pilots is relatively low in Mexico. The Mexican Air Force does not produce a large number of military pilots either. Low supply of labor = higher leverage for salaries.

 

[800Dog]

Very true. I have an uncle and several friends that are corporate pilots. The pilot community is a small one. Flight Training is very expensive for the average mexican to afford and the credit/student loan market is non existant south of the border. As a result, the supply of pilots is relatively low in Mexico. The Mexican Air Force does not produce a large number of military pilots either. Low supply of labor = higher leverage for salaries.

We currently have a low supply in the U.S. for labor/pilots. Look at pilot starts since 9-11. The answer seems to be, lower standards.

 

[Vaquero]

Very true. I have an uncle and several friends that are corporate pilots. The pilot community is a small one. Flight Training is very expensive for the average mexican to afford and the credit/student loan market is non existant south of the border. As a result, the supply of pilots is relatively low in Mexico. The Mexican Air Force does not produce a large number of military pilots either. Low supply of labor = higher leverage for salaries.

There are alot of Mexican pilots all over the world including Emirates, China Air, this was due to the lack of airlines in Mexico. Now with more than 7 LCC in Mexico there are airline jobs at most of them and what I've heard they are having no problems filling the slots. The tricky part is getting into the well paid ones like Aeromexico and Mexicana.

 

[9pilot]

Well I been working for those mexican airlines for 11 years now , and mexican companies you have the bad , not so bad , in the midle and super paid , there several new low cost carriers with low wages CAP. arond 4800dlls a month FO about 3400dlls , and on the other end you have aeromexico and mexicana cap that flies the 777 making about 15000dlls a month all of this tax free. of course getting into aeromexico first you have spend about 7 year in there comuter to go as FO of the MD80 and to be upgraded takes about 15 years after wards , and for mexicana its been 8 year since they hired and to upgrade takes about 16 years

 

[Avpilot]

Thanks for the reply 9pilot. Mi novia es mexicana. Soy gringo, pero soy curioso acerca de mexico. Creo que no puedo trabajar en mexico...no importa si tengo residencia en mexico, verdad? Soy un piloto aqui en EEUU. Me gustaria vivir en mexico en el futuro...quiza en manzanillo o colima. Creo voy a tener que viajar a EEUU para trabajar si vivo en mexico. Tenga buen dia, gracias.

 

[9pilot]

The only way an american can work as a pilot in mexico is corporate jet with an N number and the based unoficialy some where in mexico

 

[Green]

Well I been working for those mexican airlines for 11 years now , and mexican companies you have the bad , not so bad , in the midle and super paid , there several new low cost carriers with low wages CAP. arond 4800dlls a month FO about 3400dlls , and on the other end you have aeromexico and mexicana cap that flies the 777 making about 15000dlls a month all of this tax free. of course getting into aeromexico first you have spend about 7 year in there comuter to go as FO of the MD80 and to be upgraded takes about 15 years after wards , and for mexicana its been 8 year since they hired and to upgrade takes about 16 years

$180,000 per year to fly a 777 tax free!!!!! And we worry about the Mexicans taking our jobs...lol....Considering the cost of living in Mexico (housing, food, entertainment, etc) those guys are probably making the equivalent of 500k plus per year up here. We should give a collective ´sorry´ from the US for lowering the bar....Is there any country in the world where pilots are worse off when you consider the cost of living? I think not....

 

[Skybus]

Dude

Have you ever tried to buy a house in Mexico City?? Entertainment?? Its a big expensive city like most cities in the world. You can buy a hell of a lot more house in Dallas, Atlanta etc.

 

[9pilot]

well mexico city is one of the most expensive cities en latin america a house in san diego or beach front property in mexico is cheaper than in mexico city

 

[big_al]

You're a funny guy, but I'd bet you've never flown into Guadalajara, Monterey, Chihuaha or hand-flown the Mateo5 arrival Rnwy5R into Mexico city because if you had, you wouldn't make fun of those Mexican pilots or their accents. The controllers down there won't spoon-feed you on to final, and the further south you go the worse it gets. Try it sometime, but make sure you know how to shoot a DME-ARC approach before you go. Also pay attention to the MSA, cause ya ain't in Kansas anymore.

I'm in love with your avatar

 

[big_al]

Mexico has modern ATC. You don't know what bad ATC is.

seriously, somewhere over a -stan is really interesting

 

[Green]

Dude

Have you ever tried to buy a house in Mexico City?? Entertainment?? Its a big expensive city like most cities in the world. You can buy a hell of a lot more house in Dallas, Atlanta etc.

Dude,

Let´s compare a LAX or SFO based UAL 747 Captain to a Aeromexico 777 MEX based Captain. Both make about the same. A starter house in a decent neighborhood in LA costs about 750k. I haven´t checked the listings in Mexico city lately but I´m sure it costs a lot less than 750K US to get in. Don´t forget the guy could commute as well and live like a king. Dal and Atl are cheap because nobody in their right mind would choose to live there unless their jobs required it. I´m sure you could find cheaper housing in Flint Michigan than you could in MEX as well.

The Ual captain gets hit with Federal and State taxes as well. The Aeromexico guy can still live a white collar lifestyle. The Ual senior captain would have a much lower quality of live compared to his peers...

 

[Green]

I would still argue that we are cheapening the profession when compared to our peers around the world. Mexico is famous for cheap labor yet their pilots seem to be holding the bar much higher than we are.

 

[Dizel8]

I would still argue that we are cheapening the profession when compared to our peers around the world. Mexico is famous for cheap labor yet their pilots seem to be holding the bar much higher than we are.

Supply and demand economics. Is it possible that wages would go up for laborers in US if there were less access to ilegal immigrants, I would say yes.

As for pilot wages around the world, we rank pretty high up the food chain whether you believe it or not.

 

[oceandude]

To fly for Aeromexico just MUST first fly @ their regional (Aerolitoral). Its a flow program that can take up to six years. Also you have to be Mexican. I also have a house in Manzanillo. Great place to live and only a 3 hour drive to Guadalajara. I have stayed away from the jobs in Mexico due to the low pay of most of the airlines (except Aeromexico and Mexicana). Good luck!

 

[Captain X]

No matter what they get paid, thier FA's put all of ours to shame.

Mmmmmmm....

Hot.

Latina.

Women.

Yummy.

 

[Green]

To fly for Aeromexico just MUST first fly @ their regional (Aerolitoral). Its a flow program that can take up to six years. Also you have to be Mexican. I also have a house in Manzanillo. Great place to live and only a 3 hour drive to Guadalajara. I have stayed away from the jobs in Mexico due to the low pay of most of the airlines (except Aeromexico and Mexicana). Good luck!

oh i forgot about that one. Here in the US we can jump right into a major such as Ual, Fedex, AA, etc. I don´t know anything about Aerolitoral but I would bet those pilots live better than Mesa, Great Lakes, Pinnacle, etc......All I am saying is that when you compare the relative cost of living I would argue that Mexican pilots are much better off hands down. The Aeromexico pilots make more than JetBlue pilots who are mostly based in what is arguably the most expensive city in the world....

 

[Vaquero]

oh i forgot about that one. Here in the US we can jump right into a major such as Ual, Fedex, AA, etc. I don´t know anything about Aerolitoral but I would bet those pilots live better than Mesa, Great Lakes, Pinnacle, etc......All I am saying is that when you compare the relative cost of living I would argue that Mexican pilots are much better off hands down. The Aeromexico pilots make more than JetBlue pilots who are mostly based in what is arguably the most expensive city in the world....

My buddy down there tells me most of them commute, to stay away from Mexico City. Most live in Cancun, Puerto Vayarta, Monterrey and Guadalajara. Houston is also popular with the commutes. Sound like they have fun down there. Heard Monterrey was really expensive though.