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The latest from the Star Tribune

http://www.startribune.com/535/story/764370.html

www.StarTribune.com said:
Mesaba: Pilots might stage sympathy strikes
A successful appeal of a ruling in the Mesaba Airlines case could lead to a wider job action against other carriers by pilots, their union president said.
By LIZ FEDOR

Last update: October 24, 2006 – 11:53 PM

Mesaba: Pilots might stage sympathy strikes

The head of the Air Line Pilots Association International said Tuesday that his group not only will appeal the ruling that bars a strike at Mesaba Airlines, but will extend the labor conflict to other carriers if the appeal is successful.

"We are confident in the end that the court system will not permit this to stand," ALPA President Duane Woerth told the Star Tribune.

Woerth wouldn't specify which other pilot groups might be asked to back Mesaba workers through sympathy strikes in the event a walkout eventually is allowed. But the logical targets are Northwest Airlines, which provides all of Mesaba's business, and Pinnacle Airlines, another regional carrier for Northwest.

U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Gregory Kishel late Monday issued an order prohibiting any work stoppages at Mesaba. Unless negotiated deals are reached today, Mesaba spokeswoman Elizabeth Costello said, Mesaba intends to impose 17.5 percent labor-cost reductions on its pilots, flight attendants and mechanics on Thursday.

Woerth said he is optimistic that another judge will reverse Kishel and allow Mesaba employees to strike.

"Under the Railway Labor Act, secondary boycotts or sympathy strikes are legal," Woerth said, citing the fact that he asked Atlas Air pilots to engage in sympathy strikes last year after pilots at Polar Air Cargo, an Atlas subsidiary, went on strike. The rationale of such actions is to inflict wider pain on a company or its partners. Woerth said the secondary action helped Polar Air pilots negotiate a deal.

Union attorneys were preparing documents Tuesday to appeal Kishel's injunction. They also filed a notice of appeal on another recent Kishel ruling that allows Mesaba to void its contracts with the three unions. In September, U.S. District Judge Michael Davis reversed a similar ruling that Kishel made in July on nullifying Mesaba's labor contracts.

The unions also drew a contrast between how Kishel and the judge handling the Northwest bankruptcy case have ruled. U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Allan Gropper denied Northwest's request for a strike injunction against its flight attendants. The unions believe Gropper's influence helped Northwest and its three largest unions reach tentative agreements. Mesaba has not negotiated agreements with its three largest unions.

"We, of course, respect the court's ruling," David Borer, general counsel for the Association of Flight Attendants, said Tuesday. "But if Judge Kishel had shown the finesse demonstrated by Judge Gropper, we'd all have agreements by now."

Borer pointed to comments Kishel made in court before he granted the motion to toss out the contracts and before granting the strike injunction.

"By so clearly signaling to the company that the court would rule in its favor, Judge Kishel destroyed any incentive management may have otherwise had to bargain with the unions," Borer said.

Last month, U.S. District Judge Victor Marrero granted Northwest an injunction prohibiting attendants from striking. Kishel cited some of Marrero's rationale in his ruling.

Costello said Tuesday that Mesaba is focused on saving the company and reaching deals with its workers.

"We are asking people to make sacrifices," she said. "We understand that [some] people are going to leave. We also understand that there are people who want to work here. This is and will be a good place to work if we are afforded the opportunity to restructure ourselves."

Liz Fedor • 612-673-7709

Here's the "additional action".
 
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Maybe they should start their sympathy strikes now, instead of waiting for us to strike. Papa Redtail would tell Spongie to make a deal real quick.
 
I bet you all would kill for one of those Liberal Activist Judges right about now.

Seriously. Y'all just keep voting with your wallets instead of your heads, and prepare to see more results like this.

The Republicans are in bed with management of every single industry.
 
Boiler up do your research The judge is appointed by the Feds who at the time happened to be REPUBLICAN Keep believeing guys like your typical republican foley actually care about family values and the middle class

Republican=Gullable
 
Boiler up do your research The judge is appointed by the Feds who at the time happened to be REPUBLICAN Keep believeing guys like your typical republican foley actually care about family values and the middle class

Republican=Gullable

I don't think BU was really going down that path....

There are plenty of GOP's that are pro pilot. We need to find them and vote for them this Nov. We need to make Congress pro pilot!!

Also, tomorrow in MSP, DTW and MEM Mesaba pilots will demonstrate against the judges ruling that they cannot strike. I will invest two hours of my day for my career. I'll support Mesaba cause when I need support I want Mesaba there for me....

We get to carry each other....
 
Boiler up do your research The judge is appointed by the Feds who at the time happened to be REPUBLICAN Keep believeing guys like your typical republican foley actually care about family values and the middle class

Republican=Gullable

So.......is Minnesota not a historically Democratic state? Am I wrong?
 
It's not going to matter if the political environment is "pro labor" if their tax and foreign policies destroy our economy. Our biggest advantage as a group is a strong economy where people have expendable income. I'll put my $$ on the repubs for keeping our economic machine going.
 
It's not going to matter if the political environment is "pro labor" if their tax and foreign policies destroy our economy. Our biggest advantage as a group is a strong economy where people have expendable income. I'll put my $$ on the repubs for keeping our economic machine going.
I wonder why the republicans removed the checks on the money system last spring? I wonder what that could be about?
 
So.......is Minnesota not a historically Democratic state? Am I wrong?


Short answer is that MN typically vote Dem in the Presidential race, and pretty close split Dem / Rep for federal offices. Pretty much, historically, with a few small exceptions, MN tends to vote Rep for Govenor . So, no, we're only historically Dem for presidents.

As for as this Novemeber vote goes, I think pro-labor is more important than pro-pilot. This crappy Judge's decision is exeptionally anti-labor / pro-mgt.
 
I love flying with those Hypocrit pilots who enjoy the pay they are afforded because of their unions then turn around and bash the political (democrats)mechanisim that protects them. SOooo ignorant. If you want economy to be as strong as possible then yes vote rebublican and we pilots will never make over 100k a year due to supply and demand.

If you are willing to let the economy take a hit and not do so well then vote democrat and let the working man have his fair share. I guess you must decide whether or not you want to be a slave to a rich man. I vote no and therefore don't usually vote republican....there are exceptions but generally speaking Dems will protect us more albeit at a cost to the economy.
 
I love flying with those Hypocrit pilots who enjoy the pay they are afforded because of their unions then turn around and bash the political (democrats)mechanisim that protects them. SOooo ignorant. If you want economy to be as strong as possible then yes vote rebublican and we pilots will never make over 100k a year due to supply and demand.

If you are willing to let the economy take a hit and not do so well then vote democrat and let the working man have his fair share. I guess you must decide whether or not you want to be a slave to a rich man. I vote no and therefore don't usually vote republican....there are exceptions but generally speaking Dems will protect us more albeit at a cost to the economy.

sorry to hijack this thread...

Fact: Bush took over this country which was in a recession. 9/11 happened AND he still turned economy around with tax cuts and the deficit is cut in half now.............3 years ahead of schedule (per the AP report) AND the dow is breaking record highs. You dont hear a lot about the economy on
:uzi: CNN/MSNBC. Hmmmmmmmm I wonder why
 
I hope all ya'all republicans are happy about yur abortion and gay marriage ban, cause ya aint gettin no other benefit. And if yur a pilot ya aint gettin no tax break unless yur momma and dadda are loaded.
 
The economy sucks right now, UNLESS you're rich. Plain and simple. The Republicans are getting you to vote against your own economic interests. Ask any Mesaba pilot: The economy sucks. It's pretty fricken hard to benefit from the fricken DOW unless you've got tens to hundreds of thosands EXTRA to invest. It is a well established fact that the middle classes (which extend up into the lower 6 fixures, by the way) are worse off now than at any time since world war II. The economy sucks.
 
You people have been listening to rush too much... look at all the comparisons between the repub party and hitler and youd be amazed.

A republican judge destroys our bargaining power and you people are still preaching republican.. Doesnt anyone ever get it?
 
You people have been listening to rush too much... look at all the comparisons between the repub party and hitler and youd be amazed.

A republican judge destroys our bargaining power and you people are still preaching republican.. Doesnt anyone ever get it?


Ok, now I'm no fan of GW Bush, (can't stand him) BUT as soon as you start comparing Bush or anybody else for that matter to Hitler or Nazis, you lose a lot of credibility. Just imagine if somebody compared his/her opponent to Hitler in a debate.

Rush Limbaugh is a laughing stock, OReilly loves himself way toooo much.
 
I hate to bring the thread back on topic, you seem to be having soooo much fun. ALPA has set up picketing in MSP, DTW and MEM for any union member. If the turnout is good then perhaps management will understand the general outrage at the decision. If the turnout is not good well it will be be champagne at the club whilest we cry in our beer.
 
The economy sucks right now, UNLESS you're rich. Plain and simple. The Republicans are getting you to vote against your own economic interests. Ask any Mesaba pilot: The economy sucks. It's pretty fricken hard to benefit from the fricken DOW unless you've got tens to hundreds of thosands EXTRA to invest. It is a well established fact that the middle classes (which extend up into the lower 6 fixures, by the way) are worse off now than at any time since world war II. The economy sucks.

Yeah, I don't think people realize what rich means. American-rich. The middle class is suffering. We pilots are really not "the rich" , never were, even during the "good times"

If United 2000 CBA is considered "rich" we have got alot to learn about rich. Oh so you say a B747 Capt. pulled down 15,000/month. Any investment banker or hedge fund specialist pulls that down in couple days of work. We will never be "rich" but it would be nice to be in a comfortable middle class.
 
ALPA needs USA today full page ad NOW!!

Maybe the whole industry should strike. F'em all!!!


Not a bad idea. Anyone for the 23-24 December? Cough, Cough, this bronchitis is acting up!!

Seriously! this is getting out of control. We need to do a better job to try and educate the public. People who travel want to have competent, qualified pilots flying the aircraft. If this trend continues, we will be left with a bunch of recent graduates from XXXX training academy, who haven't figured out that this job isn't as cool as they thought and the money is worse.

The American public thinks we ALL make 100k+ so if we don't inform them otherwise, they won't care. They WILL notice if we all call in sick for a week, but ONLY if we get out the word that we make $15,000 a year to start (if Mesaba is the future) I think knowing the guy up front makes less than your kid at Butger King would make people nervous. Hello ALPA are you listening? We need a full page ad in USA today and the WSJ addressing this NOW!!!

There will be several posters who will point out that the public doesn't care. As long as they can still go to unrealisticfares.com and get that $49.95 flight from LAX-JFK they are oblivious. Maybe, but if they are inconvenienced and educated, maybe they will. What we are doing now IS NOT WORKING!!

Sorry, just woke up to the Mesaba news and I'm Pi$$ed off!!
 
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I hate to bring the thread back on topic, you seem to be having soooo much fun. ALPA has set up picketing in MSP, DTW and MEM for any union member. If the turnout is good then perhaps management will understand the general outrage at the decision. If the turnout is not good well it will be be champagne at the club whilest we cry in our beer.

This is worth repeating. Please show up and show your support if you can. It might take a while to manifest, but picketing, if stroung enough, does work well in our favor.
 
I If the turnout is good then perhaps management will understand the general outrage at the decision. If the turnout is not good well it will be be champagne at the club whilest we cry in our beer.

Management could care less how outraged you are. Picketing, flying slow, trying to write up things, calling in sick...none of this will affect what is going to happen this Thursday.

I can't remember who posted it, but they were spot on: If you were willing to strike and kill the company, you should be willing to walk off the job.
 
sorry to hijack this thread...

Fact: Bush took over this country which was in a recession. 9/11 happened AND he still turned economy around with tax cuts and the deficit is cut in half now.............3 years ahead of schedule (per the AP report) AND the dow is breaking record highs. You dont hear a lot about the economy on
:uzi: CNN/MSNBC. Hmmmmmmmm I wonder why

And how's the national debt doing? I seem to recall it was even when Bush took over. And our childrens test scores compared to the rest of the world? And our education system in general?

All Bush did was rob from our children to pay his big business buddies off, and level the middle east.

His lack of regard for the middle class in this country (and domestic issues in general) has set working families back 20 years in prosperity. Meanwhile the "Forbes weathiest Americans list" keeps growing, and industries like petroleum are posting record PROFITS.

As for Bush's middle east crusade, all we've managed to do is start a civil war and create 1000 Osama Bin Ladens to attack our children in the future.

Yes, the republicans have been good for our country... but only if you're a military contractor or one of the members of the Forbes 1000 list.
 
How typical is that some EMB170 pilot who probably got his daddy to pay for all his flight time is taughting how great W is.

Bush rove and chenney aren't as bad as the Nazis but you can make comparisons on how they govern under an umbrella of fear. All they do is scare the typical soccer mom and then hey now we can attack Iraq and say they are a terroist state when they never were - until today that is-
 
How typical is that some EMB170 pilot who probably got his daddy to pay for all his flight time is taughting how great W is.

Bush rove and chenney aren't as bad as the Nazis but you can make comparisons on how they govern under an umbrella of fear. All they do is scare the typical soccer mom and then hey now we can attack Iraq and say they are a terroist state when they never were - until today that is-

You wouldn't happen to live in CMH would you? Your drivel sure sounds an awful lot like somebody I know...
 
Lets see this record defecit you talk about is just great..... the only time we had a surplus was during the clinton years......

Oh I'm sorry the truth must really hurt you Boiler up to be so offended. Did your daddy pay for your flight time to.
 
To all you Rush bashers out there...you might try to LISTEN to him once...and learn something. Kich A$$ XT guys..do what ya gotta do. You can win this thing..
 

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