Mesaba Pilots *** Please Read

[dashtrash]

Vote No. Yet, be prepared for dissapointment. Some pilots tend to fold like paper. Enforce whatever contract you get to the max.

 

[saabtrash]

Fellow Mesaba pilots, just for the record, this post was started by a guy who sent me a PM a few months ago after I responded to a strange jumpseating thread he had started. "I know people at Mesaba, and I know who you are..." Real nice, can't say that I weigh his opinion very heavily. But that is just my thoughts toward him, not his fellow workers.

 

[PCL Flt-ops]

I don't have anything against Mesaba pilots.

I have something against you for being a wise-a.ss several months ago when I was trying to get some basic jumpseat info.

If I remember correctly, your comments were something like "Why don't you read the ALPA board... typical Pinnacle dipshi.t...." In fact, you pissed me off so much I remember those were your exact words.

You were being hostile towards me for no reason whatsoever. I was asking a simple question. So don't get on here and try to lie to your fellow Mesaba pilots about your previous actions.

 

[WWEfan]

bump

 

[RegularPilotGuy]

Simon says - Please get your facts straight. DTW asked PCL NOT to picket with you on the night of the 9th because of the limited number permits. However you asked for 7 PCL guys to be at the DTW strike center that evening to cover so MSA guys could go to the rally. 7 PCL guys were there at the strike center for you. In Minneapolis, MSA asked for 4 picketers and you got 4 plus the guys in the strike center. You are correct about Memphis not having any picketers. Not something we are proud of. Lets chalk it up to a failure of leaderhip by the local MEM council which I am told has been thoughly addressed. Do not chalk Memphis up to the PCL pilot group as a whole.

If you guys vote to not ratify the TA, PCL pilots will be there to support you. If you vote to ratify it, I think the group will have some questions, but will support you in the end. Vote for what you think is right and don't turn back. There are risks to both. However, 7 years is a long time so be willing to live it if you vote yes.

For my fellow Pinnacle folks - let these guys make their descision. It is their contract that they will have to live under and their risks that they will have to take if they vote no. Voting no and walking the line without pay is no small thing - ask any Comair guy that was walking the line the entire 89 days.

Also, we are not dependent on what Mesaba or any other airline does for our next contract. We and we alone are responsible for how we do in our next go-around. If Comair was dependent on everyone else then they would never have gotten the contract they fought so hard to acheive. We are in a good position. We will have a lot of pilots on the roster and we are making money hand over fist. Our management wants to bid on more planes and they will need us to have a contract in place to get their costs in line. If we stick together we will have the leading or among the top 3 contracts for 50 seat small jet carriers. Enough said.

 

[Heavy Set]

I hear the TA is CRAP - vote no and salvage whatever respect you have left...

 

[T-Gates]

DTW did not have any Pinnacle guys either on the night of the 9th.

Myself and about 5 other PCL pilots were at the strike center in DTW that night. We all attended the rally later.....

Only Mesaba pilots picketed in DTW, but we had at least 1 pilot handing out phamplets. NWA, PCL, Spirit, COEx, all had attendees that night in DTW.

We've all been behind you, because this is our battle too. And this TA is a long way from making anyone happy. Just because you don't have CRJ's on the property, don't accept sub-std. rates.

Ask anyone here at PCL if they thought that jets would be on the property in 2000, when they signed in 99.....

Learn from the past

 

[DTWFO]

I was at the rally as well in DTW along with a substantial number of my co-workers. I also was told you WEREN'T looking for any Pinnacle volunteers to picket with you or believe me, we would have been there. We stood outside and watched you picket that night anyway, and supported you 100% just like we still do. Don't try to insinuate that we didn't care because that is 100% not true. Do what you have to do, but be ready to deal with whatever choice you make.

 

[Capt. Tex]

Like I said, they're pussies and they'll cave!!!!

 

[Tflyer70]

Like I said, they're pussies and they'll cave!!!!

Tex, are you trying to start something. Are you part of ALPA. So far this has to be the most disrespectful comment to date, and in only 7 words. Comments like these only seek to "divide and conquer" from the inside. Or are you one of those management types. As someone stated earlier in the thread let these guys make their descision. It is their contract that they will have to live under and their risks that they will have to take if they vote no. . Probably the best quote to date. And believe me, we DO appreciate the support from our peers at Pinnacle and I will gladly reciprocate what has been done when they are in need of My help.

By the way--that Capt Tex name makes me want to think your the ex asst. chief pilot on the the FAA's most wanted posters. If not, dont worry--be unified.

 

[saabtrash]

Yeah, I was being a wise ass, enough said.

However, all you guys who are starting the name calling, it would be nice if you would look at the whole TA, like I said, it isn't great, but it isn't just payrates. I will still vote no, but if it does get voted in, I would hope you would all educate yourselves a little more before you decide we are whores.

 

[PCL Flt-ops]

I do not think that The Mesaba pilots are pussies or will cave. I think that they will stand up and vote NO.

I think that their MEC is the one who should be help responsible.

 

[NEWSOUTH]

Yeah, I was being a wise ass, enough said.

However, all you guys who are starting the name calling, it would be nice if you would look at the whole TA, like I said, it isn't great, but it isn't just payrates. I will still vote no, but if it does get voted in, I would hope you would all educate yourselves a little more before you decide we are whores.

You Sir, should have educated yourself on our contract before your pilot group has given the whole industry a misinformed impression of our rates and rules. We are educating ourselves and the industry on your TA. Vote NO or Mesa-ba you will become.

 

[saabtrash]

Newsouth, don't call me sir. Second, post your work rules. Is my MEC lying to me? I want to know, so lets get into it.

What do you have for Trip guarantee?

Do you get paid block or better?

Per diem?

Min days off?

Min value of a day/trip and duty rigs?

There is a whole list of things I heard from our union reps at the roadshow last night, I can't remember them all off the top of my head. But you need to understand, they aren't cutting you down, they are simply saying that we in fact HAVE improved well beyond your contract. Sure we didn't match COMAIRS pay to fly a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ing saab, but there is more to it than just pay rates.

 

[xjavro85]

Hey saabtrash, not to be flame bait but you said shortly after the TA came out that we might as well drop the ba from mesaba....seems the road show changed your vote? Just curious, I havne't been to the road show yet but I was hoping it would change the minds of some pissed off pilots. It is a "fair" contract, not the pay we wanted but some very good improvments in other areas.