Mesaba Pilots *** Please Read

[Heavy Set]

I hear the TA is CRAP - vote no and salvage whatever respect you have left...

 

[T-Gates]

DTW did not have any Pinnacle guys either on the night of the 9th.

Myself and about 5 other PCL pilots were at the strike center in DTW that night. We all attended the rally later.....

Only Mesaba pilots picketed in DTW, but we had at least 1 pilot handing out phamplets. NWA, PCL, Spirit, COEx, all had attendees that night in DTW.

We've all been behind you, because this is our battle too. And this TA is a long way from making anyone happy. Just because you don't have CRJ's on the property, don't accept sub-std. rates.

Ask anyone here at PCL if they thought that jets would be on the property in 2000, when they signed in 99.....

Learn from the past

 

[DTWFO]

I was at the rally as well in DTW along with a substantial number of my co-workers. I also was told you WEREN'T looking for any Pinnacle volunteers to picket with you or believe me, we would have been there. We stood outside and watched you picket that night anyway, and supported you 100% just like we still do. Don't try to insinuate that we didn't care because that is 100% not true. Do what you have to do, but be ready to deal with whatever choice you make.

 

[Capt. Tex]

Like I said, they're pussies and they'll cave!!!!

 

[Tflyer70]

Like I said, they're pussies and they'll cave!!!!

Tex, are you trying to start something. Are you part of ALPA. So far this has to be the most disrespectful comment to date, and in only 7 words. Comments like these only seek to "divide and conquer" from the inside. Or are you one of those management types. As someone stated earlier in the thread let these guys make their descision. It is their contract that they will have to live under and their risks that they will have to take if they vote no. . Probably the best quote to date. And believe me, we DO appreciate the support from our peers at Pinnacle and I will gladly reciprocate what has been done when they are in need of My help.

By the way--that Capt Tex name makes me want to think your the ex asst. chief pilot on the the FAA's most wanted posters. If not, dont worry--be unified.

 

[saabtrash]

Yeah, I was being a wise ass, enough said.

However, all you guys who are starting the name calling, it would be nice if you would look at the whole TA, like I said, it isn't great, but it isn't just payrates. I will still vote no, but if it does get voted in, I would hope you would all educate yourselves a little more before you decide we are whores.

 

[PCL Flt-ops]

I do not think that The Mesaba pilots are pussies or will cave. I think that they will stand up and vote NO.

I think that their MEC is the one who should be help responsible.

 

[NEWSOUTH]

Yeah, I was being a wise ass, enough said.

However, all you guys who are starting the name calling, it would be nice if you would look at the whole TA, like I said, it isn't great, but it isn't just payrates. I will still vote no, but if it does get voted in, I would hope you would all educate yourselves a little more before you decide we are whores.

You Sir, should have educated yourself on our contract before your pilot group has given the whole industry a misinformed impression of our rates and rules. We are educating ourselves and the industry on your TA. Vote NO or Mesa-ba you will become.

 

[saabtrash]

Newsouth, don't call me sir. Second, post your work rules. Is my MEC lying to me? I want to know, so lets get into it.

What do you have for Trip guarantee?

Do you get paid block or better?

Per diem?

Min days off?

Min value of a day/trip and duty rigs?

There is a whole list of things I heard from our union reps at the roadshow last night, I can't remember them all off the top of my head. But you need to understand, they aren't cutting you down, they are simply saying that we in fact HAVE improved well beyond your contract. Sure we didn't match COMAIRS pay to fly a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ing saab, but there is more to it than just pay rates.

 

[xjavro85]

Hey saabtrash, not to be flame bait but you said shortly after the TA came out that we might as well drop the ba from mesaba....seems the road show changed your vote? Just curious, I havne't been to the road show yet but I was hoping it would change the minds of some pissed off pilots. It is a "fair" contract, not the pay we wanted but some very good improvments in other areas.

 

[saabtrash]

I agree, it wasn't the road show that "changed my mind," I still don't feel comforatable with it. I just have learned more now, and I don't think that we are Mesa, I was jumping the gun on that one. I have a feeling it will pass, and I just want people to have the facts about it before they judge us. And I mean "US" when I say that. I will still probalby vote no, but I am willing to move forward with what the pilot group decides, even if it only passes by 51%.

 

[jmddgc]

This TA is going off the runway quicker than you can say FED EX!!!

Keep an eye on NWA 4th quarter earnings report Friday.

 

[xjavro85]

I will be voting yes. It may not be what we asked for but it is an improvment for mesaba pilots. I think that anyone who expected to see a TA with everything we asked for is crazy, that is why it is called a negotiation, give a little take a little. I think everyone should think hard before voting no. If the TA does not pass I am POSITIVE that the next TA will not be an improvment, I truly beleive in our MEC that this is as good as it is going to get this time around. I also think that the FO's that are pissed off over the TA should sit back and realize that most if not all of them will be in the left seat in a few years when we finally start growing again. So, to all mesaba pilots lets not shoot this down just becuase the pay rates are a little lower than expected, look at all the other improvements besides pay. Lets get this contract crap behind us and move on with our lives.

 

[jmddgc]

Oh ok, we'll just see
All indicators that I have seen show this TA is going down 90/10.

 

[xjavro85]

It will pass 70/30

 

[Tflyer70]

xjavro85: It will pass 70/30

jmddgc: All indicators that I have seen show this TA is going down 90/10.

I say more like 55/45 voting it down. Whats the vegas odds say.
How'bout someone emailing the moderator and see if he will put up some kind of prize as to who gets the closest number and which outcome.

 

[mesaba2425]

Is my MEC lying to me?

It wouldn't surprise me. You can't trust unions. And you guys were all worried that management was going to screw you.

 

[Otto Coarsen]

I also think that the FO's that are pissed off over the TA should sit back and realize that most if not all of them will be in the left seat in a few years when we finally start growing again.

What??? Upgrade through growth is a comparable substitution
for pay?




Hmmmm.... Where have we heard this philosophy before?

<<<<HINT>>>>

Begins with J and ends with O



So I guess were not the only ones huh?

 

[JJJ]

That is standard company rhetoric at every airline.

Why do you want good FO pay? Yall be capts in a year anyways.

 

[jetset]

Before you judge a TA, it's good practice to read it for those of you who haven't.

Yes vote here.

4 hour minimum day plus other work rules pad the W-2...