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Mesaba Multi Class Bid

Joe Patroni

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This doesn't look too good to me. 3 airlines later I think seniority is important. XJ pilots...... thoughts!!!!!!!!!!
 

Yudso

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No furloughes until Februrary. Interesting.
 

Mesabi Miner

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Yudso said:
No furloughes until Februrary. Interesting.


Yeah, I'd say we ought to have a little better grasp of our situation by then. This is especially true since NWA's 1113c clock is ticking... I was surprised to hear of ALPA's WAG of February.; I had anticipated earlier.

MM
 

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[SIZE=+1]To all Pilots:

As we have indicated in previous hotline messages, the Negotiating Committee has been meeting with the Company to discuss the impact of the reduction of 9 Avro's and 13 SF-340's. The Avro's will be removed from the schedule at the end of October, and the SF-340's will be removed from the schedule in the first week in January (with the exception of one SF-340, which will be removed from the schedule at the end of October).

We do not believe that Mesaba management would have elected to reduce aircraft at this pace or on this timetable. These decisions were made by Northwest. From Mesaba's perspective, it would have been far more preferable, for cost and efficiency reasons, to meter the aircraft out over time. Given these circumstances, we believed it was appropriate to enter into discussions with management to reduce the overall impact of the reductions. At the same time, we wanted to make sure to include provisions so that the relief provided to the Company would not impact a pilot's contractual rights. We also wanted to address scheduling issues for the CVG pilots.

The attached Letter of Agreement provides for a multi-class bid to handle the aircraft reductions. As most of you know, we have negotiated Letters of Agreement in the past that permitted multi-class bids, and our experience has generally been positive. The benefit of a multi class bid is that it allows a pilot to see where he will end up at the end of the displacements, without having to move to various domiciles or change aircraft on an interim basis. The multi class bid also allows pilots to use their seniority to bid for class dates. Because the multi-class bid "skips" the interim moves, it saves the Company money in training and moving costs by eliminating redundant displacements.

One danger of a multi-class bid - especially in light of the fact that the Avros (the more senior equipment) are being removed from the schedule prior to the SF-340's (generally more junior) is that pilots be displaced out of seniority. We have addressed that issue by explicitly providing for pay protection. Any relatively more senior pilot who displaces to a category (seat and equipment) ahead of a junior pilot displacing to the same category will be fully pay protected, on a one for one basis. The Letter provides that ALPA and the Company will jointly identify the pilots who are entitled to pay protection, and this list will be published to the pilots. No pilot will need to individually try to track his pay. Examples of how the pay protection will work are included in the Letter.

Beyond the multi-class bid, we have also addressed the CVG base closure. We wanted to ensure that the CVG pilots would not be treated in the same manner as the pilots who remained in Rhinelander and Central Wisconsin after the aircraft were removed from those bases. Several options are offered to the CVG pilots to ease the transition. Please note that if you are a CVG pilot, you have full involuntary displacement rights, regardless of how you set up your bid card. With that in mind, you should bid for the position you want, and you will not be subject to a freeze. In addition, you are entitled to a paid move.

In one of the final paragraphs of the Letter of Agreement, the Company recognizes the cost savings that will result from the multi-class bid. The exact number is still being worked out by ALPA's Economic and Financial Analysis Department and the Company's Flight Operations Controller, subject to review by both Negotiating Committees. The number will be specified in the next few days.

The recognition of the cost savings may become important later if we are involved in negotiations under the Bankruptcy Code. It demonstrates our willingness to work with the Company to provide relief when the relief is justifiable and reasonable, and it may alleviate further changes to our contract, at least in Section 24. We view this as a positive.
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We were not able to reach an agreement on part time employment, but management has committed to continuing negotiations over the next few weeks. We remain hopeful that we will be able to offer this option as a quality of life enhancement to those pilots who wish to work on a part time basis.

In accordance with the MEC Policy Manual, this Letter of Agreement is being posted for pilot comment. Please feel free to contact your LEC representative or a member of the Negotiating Committee. The MEC is scheduled to convene on Sunday evening to vote on this letter. If the MEC approves this Letter, you can anticipate that a Reduction Notice will be published on Monday, October 24. You will have 10 days to submit a new bid. EVERY PILOT SHOULD REVIEW THEIR BID PREFERENCE FORM. The timetable contemplated by the Letter would result in the first classes being held in the second half of November. No furloughs are expected before February 2006.
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sf3boy

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ALPA: Sorry we were asleep at the switch with the RHI and CWA pilots, but that will not happen again as this time it involves the mighty Avro pilots.
 

FSIGRAD

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I wasn't around for CWA and RHI, am I the only one who is somewhat confused by what this really entails...........
 

gnx99

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I thought there already were some furloughs? A bunch from new hire class, and some voluntary ones?
 

Spiritflight

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sf3boy said:
ALPA: Sorry we were asleep at the switch with the RHI and CWA pilots, but that will not happen again as this time it involves the mighty Avro pilots.

Yeah, that really makes a lot of sense since there are 13 Saabs leaving and only 9 Avros. Don't be a management stooge.
 

RampTower

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Peanut Chaser said:
what is a multi-class bid? and how does Mesaba save money doing this?

The benefit of a multi class bid is that it allows a pilot to see where he will end up at the end of the displacements, without having to move to various domiciles or change aircraft on an interim basis. The multi class bid also allows pilots to use their seniority to bid for class dates. Because the multi-class bid "skips" the interim moves, it saves the Company money in training and moving costs by eliminating redundant displacements.

One danger of a multi-class bid - especially in light of the fact that the Avros (the more senior equipment) are being removed from the schedule prior to the SF-340's (generally more junior) is that pilots be displaced out of seniority. We have addressed that issue by explicitly providing for pay protection. Any relatively more senior pilot who displaces to a category (seat and equipment) ahead of a junior pilot displacing to the same category will be fully pay protected, on a one for one basis. The Letter provides that ALPA and the Company will jointly identify the pilots who are entitled to pay protection, and this list will be published to the pilots. No pilot will need to individually try to track his pay. Examples of how the pay protection will work are included in the Letter.
 

captpetefam

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What it means...

So to break this down for those who don't understand it:

Avro Capt's. in CVG and the lower 1/4 of the guys in DTW and MEM know they can't hold it soon.

At best, the think they can hold Saab Capt. so they think they will stay there.

However, when the Multi-class bid comes out and shows that the best they will be able to hold soon is Saab FO, it thereby saves the company training costs by skipping retraining them as Saab Capt's.

It simple, rather than having double training events, they can just bump right to the bottom. :rolleyes: Oh, yeah... this is GREAT!

So, when my name doesn't even show up on the Multi-class bid, does that mean... :beer:

Seeeeeeya,

CP
 

Peanut Chaser

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Hey Capt Pete...

Is it possible to elect you for Wycor's job? Thank you for breaking this down into english!

PC
 
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