Mesaba LGA Saabs' future???

[General Lee]

Thanks man! Sorry about not following "the rules.". I can usually do it from my home computer, but not always on my android. No biggie.


OYS

No problem.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Hpilot]

Arguing? Nah. I just wish he would post the article sometimes if he quotes from one or says it was in the media. He knows he is still "my best FI buddy!"


Bye Bye--General Lee

I think the swap will be good for both parties involved, but I'm afraid our brilliant union USAPA is talking about trying to fight it. Any job openings over there general? I think I'd trade my four bars at US for three at Delta. You know it's bad when you trust management more than your own union.

 

[Kaman]

As far as I know the conditioned air in LGA comes off units that are installed on the jetways themselves and typically had been working in years gone by. The real pain comes when you get the airplane cooled down, and boarded. Because now, you have to wait for as much as 20 minutes to get pushed off the gate if you are going to spot 22 which is in the airport movement area and approval from ground and ramp is required.
I wish that I could offer a helpful solution, and having been someone that has endured the misery that is about to beset our Mesaba brothers and sisters I truly empathize with you. I am not sure exactly where it is written, but there are rules in the contract with USAirways that specify how long you can have people on-board without conditioned air being supplied to the aircraft. Lord knows how bloody hot the SAAB cockpit is in the summer! I have flown both 1900 and the SAAB and at least on the 1900 we had the little vent windows...
Stay safe, drink ALOT of water (Till you are tired of it and forcing it), keep your sense of humor and hold the company's feet to the fire. It is a safety, customer service and fatigue issue and needs to be addressed.

 

[SEVEN]

As far as I know the conditioned air in LGA comes off units that are installed on the jetways themselves and typically had been working in years gone by. The real pain comes when you get the airplane cooled down, and boarded. Because now, you have to wait for as much as 20 minutes to get pushed off the gate if you are going to spot 22 which is in the airport movement area and approval from ground and ramp is required.
I wish that I could offer a helpful solution, and having been someone that has endured the misery that is about to beset our Mesaba brothers and sisters I truly empathize with you. I am not sure exactly where it is written, but there are rules in the contract with USAirways that specify how long you can have people on-board without conditioned air being supplied to the aircraft. Lord knows how bloody hot the SAAB cockpit is in the summer! I have flown both 1900 and the SAAB and at least on the 1900 we had the little vent windows...
Stay safe, drink ALOT of water (Till you are tired of it and forcing it), keep your sense of humor and hold the company's feet to the fire. It is a safety, customer service and fatigue issue and needs to be addressed.

Well said. I have also found that communication with the ramp also can prevent and early shut down of cool air. i.e....don't unhook the air until I say...clear to push.

 

[Ridgeback]

BWAHAHAHAAAAAA! I love it. Mesaba pilots expecting change. News flash, your new corporate owner Pinnacle isn't exactly "industry leading" in positive changes, nor do they figure things out quick. But don't worry though, Pinnapenetration hurts only the first few times. After that, you get used to it. Welcome aboard!

You are a perfect example of why Mesaba is more respected in the industry than Pinnacle. Mesaba pilots will do the right thing, something you can learn from the Mesaba Pilots when your not trying to procreate in the MSP Saab sims or the Forest in Harrisburg...amazing only took your group two weeks in the MSP training center to build on your awsome reputation...congrats!! you must be proud.

 

[Andrew_VT]

trying to procreate in the MSP Saab sims

Whaaa? Details!

 

[RJLoser]

You are a perfect example of why Mesaba is more respected in the industry than Pinnacle. Mesaba pilots will do the right thing, something you can learn from the Mesaba Pilots when your not trying to procreate in the MSP Saab sims or the Forest in Harrisburg...amazing only took your group two weeks in the MSP training center to build on your awsome reputation...congrats!! you must be proud.

Never bid to the PCL side. We don't want guys like you. Fools that believe the drivel or behavior of a few represent the entire group have their own problems. I'm not going to bring up examples of unbecoming behavior of a few XJ pilots because I do not believe it is a fair representaion of your pilot group as a whole. They XJ-ers I have met lately are stand up individuals. Grow up and gauge a pilot group better. It makes your cohorts look bad.

 

[Ridgeback]

Never bid to the PCL side. We don't want guys like you. Fools that believe the drivel or behavior of a few represent the entire group have their own problems. I'm not going to bring up examples of unbecoming behavior of a few XJ pilots because I do not believe it is a fair representaion of your pilot group as a whole. They XJ-ers I have met lately are stand up individuals. Grow up and gauge a pilot group better. It makes your cohorts look bad.

Ok, lets consider this....Your union represents YOU after all of YOU voted for them. Colgan AND Mesaba Union leadership tired to get together one last time to get a fair SLI done...Guess what? YOUR leadership declined... In my opinion a really bad idea for you, after all when all your SLI brings to the arbratator is a yellow notebook full of a totally out there positon, not even close to ALPA merger policy YOUR group gives new meaning to bring a knife to a gunfight. But hey the more I get the better.

It also amazes me how the excuse "don't blame the actions of a few.... well it seems to me that watching 9e over the years you have way more than a few. Yes you are correct have a few here as well but they are long gone, terminated.

 

[Ridgeback]

Whaaa? Details!

Ask around you'll get the details...safe to say bring a few extra sanicoms to sim 1 though

 

[RJLoser]

Ok, lets consider this....Your union represents YOU after all of YOU voted for them. Colgan AND Mesaba Union leadership tired to get together one last time to get a fair SLI done...Guess what? YOUR leadership declined... In my opinion a really bad idea for you, after all when all your SLI brings to the arbratator is a yellow notebook full of a totally out there positon, not even close to ALPA merger policy YOUR group gives new meaning to bring a knife to a gunfight. But hey the more I get the better.

It also amazes me how the excuse "don't blame the actions of a few.... well it seems to me that watching 9e over the years you have way more than a few. Yes you are correct have a few here as well but they are long gone, terminated.

I am not a union guy. I work hard for my family along with about 1290 other PCL guys. I do not know what stance my union took at the table. I assume (and hope) it was to look out for me and my family. We are now past that. It shows a the intellect of an individual to argue things that cannot be changed. What are you going to do about this to move our horrible pilot group in the right direction? You have gone from knocking another pilot group to shi++ing where you eat. You are among the problem you are stating. Where do WE go from here my friend?

 

[Vertigo37]

Ridgeback:

One of our Merger Committee reps was in Memphis last week. I asked him directly if anyone had contacted him----he said no. He continued and said that he was aware that two of the MEC Chairman were talking about that (about going back to the table), but he was not privied to the complete conversation. He said he was going to talk to the MEC Chairman on Saturday (this past one) to see if he could learn more about those discussions. I asked him would he go back to the table and he said he would be a "dumbass" if he didn't go back to the table.

From my seat, we are going to have to work together sometime. I'm not one to try to dig at any of the properties. We have our good pilots and our pilots who make the Top Ten List. We need to get rid of the later so we all maintain our sanity. Merging seniority lists is very trying, I'm sure.

Look forward to flying with all of you. I've had many drinks with quite a few of you and all have been top-notch.

 

[Ridgeback]

I am not a union guy. I work hard for my family along with about 1290 other PCL guys. I do not know what stance my union took at the table. I assume (and hope) it was to look out for me and my family. We are now past that. It shows a the intellect of an individual to argue things that cannot be changed. What are you going to do about this to move our horrible pilot group in the right direction? You have gone from knocking another pilot group to shi++ing where you eat. You are among the problem you are stating. Where do WE go from here my friend?

Might I suggest you get to know what your union has, is, and will be doing. Remember your union represents you, they are not there to promote self interest.

Another suggestion, after the SLI is put together there will be a new vote to vote for union leadership. With recent 9E union history, recall votes, threats of lawsuits from the North MS flying Club, ect I would really hope you get to know the current Mesaba union Leadership and get to know them. I can say they are very proactive and work with the company in a very fair way. Example, prior to the JCB Mesaba had only 3 open grevances, I believe 9E had over 300. Union work is hard, too hard for me but I have good friends that are in it and it is my hope that they will be elected to continue their service to all the pilots on the SLI.

Another suggestion, get to know the history of how "things went down" ten years ago with 9E pilots comming over to mesaba. I have personally flown with one that was an Avro Captain for over ten years...Measaba made him a millionair...over 100K/ year

As far as cultural diffenences, Speaking for the Mesaba pilot group we confront our own when we see backpacks, sunglasses hung from shoulder bars, dark sunglasses worn inside, ect. and yes we did have the 900 fo's were the bars in reverse, we have ours too but that was taken care of with in a week. These actions and others like it translate into an overall very repected, safe, professional pilot group.

ps even my dogs **** where they live

 

[Inconceivable]

>> Example, prior to the JCB Mesaba had only 3 open grevances, I believe 9E had over 300.

Son, that's a function of the COMPANY, not the union. The nice guys (your management) finished last.

Welcome to the suck.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

You are a perfect example of why Mesaba is more respected in the industry than Pinnacle. Mesaba pilots will do the right thing, something you can learn from the Mesaba Pilots when your not trying to procreate in the MSP Saab sims or the Forest in Harrisburg...amazing only took your group two weeks in the MSP training center to build on your awsome reputation...congrats!! you must be proud.

Whats your point here, are you trying to sling mud?? At least the Harrisburg pilot wasn't after 12yr old boys in Houston!!! LOL

 

[jellynuts]

Why do Mesaba flight attachments ask crewmembers for their boarding pass? There's nothing like being the only airplane in Syracuse and they have to verify where I'm going. Quite moronic....

 

[Andrew_VT]

Why do Mesaba flight attachments ask crewmembers for their boarding pass? There's nothing like being the only airplane in Syracuse and they have to verify where I'm going. Quite moronic....

The LGA based flight attendants are all brand new (hired for March 1st). They just do as they are told and still know very little about anything else. They're supposed to check boarding passes when boarding from the ramp.

It is kind of pathetic that they think weight and balance applies to not letting someone scoot over from an aisle seat to the empty window seat beside them though. I'm currently on a one man FA education campaign to get across that left-right weight and balance isn't a real thing.

 

[DoinTime]

Ok, lets consider this....Your union represents YOU after all of YOU voted for them. Colgan AND Mesaba Union leadership tired to get together one last time to get a fair SLI done...Guess what? YOUR leadership declined.

From what I have heard, Colgan told the Mesaba MEC to go f* themselves and the Pinnacle MEC didn't bother to reply because Colgan wasn't interested and the XJ MEC refused to negotiate during the two prior months that were dedicated to negotiations. I guess the XJ negotiators insulted the other two groups so many times during the talks that they neutered any hope for progress after the hearings closed.

Believe it or not Mesaba, it is not well received when you prance around talking about how much better you think you are than us. Even if it were true, its poor form. Just food for thought.

 

[DoinTime]

I have personally flown with one that was an Avro Captain for over ten years...Measaba made him a millionair...over 100K/ year

He must have married well if he is a millionaire with only a $100k/year of income.

 

[On Your Six]

Might I suggest you get to know what your union has, is, and will be doing. Remember your union represents you, they are not there to promote self interest.

Another suggestion, after the SLI is put together there will be a new vote to vote for union leadership. With recent 9E union history, recall votes, threats of lawsuits from the North MS flying Club, ect I would really hope you get to know the current Mesaba union Leadership and get to know them. I can say they are very proactive and work with the company in a very fair way. Example, prior to the JCB Mesaba had only 3 open grevances, I believe 9E had over 300. Union work is hard, too hard for me but I have good friends that are in it and it is my hope that they will be elected to continue their service to all the pilots on the SLI.

Another suggestion, get to know the history of how "things went down" ten years ago with 9E pilots comming over to mesaba. I have personally flown with one that was an Avro Captain for over ten years...Measaba made him a millionair...over 100K/ year

As far as cultural diffenences, Speaking for the Mesaba pilot group we confront our own when we see backpacks, sunglasses hung from shoulder bars, dark sunglasses worn inside, ect. and yes we did have the 900 fo's were the bars in reverse, we have ours too but that was taken care of with in a week. These actions and others like it translate into an overall very repected, safe, professional pilot group.

ps even my dogs **** where they live

Seriously, just like I say to the SWA and AT guys, just let it go to arbitration. The arbitrators are fair and will listen and review all testimony, and then give an award with an explanation. Then, instead of hating the guy you are flying next to, you can hate the arbitrator. There is no bias, no hidden agendas, and the arbitrator is paid a fee. Each side has lawyers that argue for them, and then a ruling is made. Simple. I wasn't a part of it at my current job, but several friends were, and I watched it happen too. I would say it was quite successful at my current employment. But, get the joint contract done first, and then the SLI.(that did not happen at USAir) Good luck.


OYS

 

[CptMurf]

Oy.....6 more days...oh wait the same arbitrator was late on the DAL/NWI SLI....please be over soon...please be over soon...please be over soon




Will we still be measuring phallus sizes after the arbitrator rules?